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Beeno1

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Second test thread
January 11, 2013, 10:26:20

Should be starting soon. I cant see it being as one sided.  Kleinveldt has a nice opportunity.

Go Proteas. Brycy is probably thinking of skipping this one! Take courage Brycy this will be a better contest.

 


Ek

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RE: Second test thread
January 11, 2013, 10:33:38

Some comments to start off from Cricinfo:

 

irstdrop: "C'mon NZ! Now is the time to bowl & field your way back into this series. I'm a bit scared that Wagner is a pop gun medium pacer- he needs to find another yard against the best batters. Go on son- prove me wrong!"

Nathan: "Port Elizabeth test, SA batting first, slow pitch against an iffy attack. I think New Zealand should be happy that the band plays all day there. Its gonna be a long one."

rhys: "I know nothing of Colin Munro, but very happy he has replaced Franklin! Also happy that Wagner gets another crack (disappointed for the phantom!). Another failure for Guptill surely has to see him dropped, he has form in the shorter versions but has a horrible record in Tests, he has to go!!"

Martin de Wet: "Can't wait for the first ball. Think I'll go for an extended mid day workout today, we have a nice big screen in front of the bikes and tred mills"

Dean : "Any bets on the Hash breaking Lara's record? Slowish pitch with the license to bat for 2 days?"


Beeno1

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RE: Second test thread
January 11, 2013, 10:40:15

Thanks Ek, I was hoping we would be first in and bat the kiwis out of the game! Going out for lunch today is a thought!

Like to see Kallis get some wickets and a double ton. Once he gets to three hundred wickets and has an average of 58 he can retire as an immortal of the game.

 


Ek

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RE: Second test thread
January 11, 2013, 10:58:39

yeah beeno. At the moment it looks like the openers are fine. As I said in the other thread, we just need to see off the first few overs, and they need to bat themselves in.

then we should be good for 1000/0.

Point is that we could bat all day on this pitch if the wind stays this way. If the wind turns, well then NZ will get some swing and things could turn out different. However it's dead, dead, dead.


Ek

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RE: Second test thread
January 11, 2013, 12:46:14

Lunch Day 1 - 99/1

Smith - 40

Amla - 32

Going steady. No rush


Ek

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RE: Second test thread
January 11, 2013, 13:34:25

122/2 Wagner gets smith for 54. Kallis comes in.


Beeno1

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RE: Second test thread
January 11, 2013, 13:42:52

It's123 for two. Smith will be sorry not to really cash in  - out for 54.  Amla on 41 and Kallis just in.


Ek

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RE: Second test thread
January 11, 2013, 13:56:32

139/3

Why oh great one why?

Kallis walks for 8.......


Beeno1

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RE: Second test thread
January 11, 2013, 14:07:23

Sounds like Kallis made a rash shot. He needs to start slow and build up.

142 for 3 - no great shakes on what you said was an easy wicket. Hope Amla and AB make a big stand.


Ek

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RE: Second test thread
January 11, 2013, 14:20:01

At this stage in the Test

Both bowlers and both batsmen born in the same country two different Cities

Colin Monroe born in Durban

Hashim Amla born in Durban

AB de villiers born in Pretoria

Niel Wagner born in Pretoria

Funny coincidence.


Beeno1

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RE: Second test thread
January 11, 2013, 15:16:36

Yes cany have happed often!

191 for 3 and its starting to look good again. Amla on 70.


Ek

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RE: Second test thread
January 11, 2013, 16:04:49

Soft Dismissal and AB walks for 51.

223/4

Faf comes in Amla on 79.


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RE: Second test thread
January 13, 2013, 10:19:11

Beeno, did you see Steyn's spell yesterday. How was his penetration? I hope it was clear to see for all that he is still a fast bowler and clearly no utility seamer.


Beeno1

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RE: Second test thread
January 13, 2013, 22:17:00

 Draad Steyn did bowl quicker in the first innings and was rewarded. However the commentators compared his speed to 2007 and asked why Steyn was bowling slower.

Today (Sunda)y he bowled slower in the second innings and was not rewarded. Generally when he bowls quicker h  egets more wickets.

So he can have these bursts but he is naturally slowing up due to age. 


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RE: Second test thread
January 14, 2013, 07:32:04

Beeno

There are two aspects that need to be borne in mind and those are -

*   accruracy; and

*  speed.

I think that in the case of certain pitches - like the St George's one and those in the Sub-Continent accuracy is of much more importance than extremely fast bowling.

Steyn today is a much more scientific bowler than he was in 2007 and much more acurate than he used to be.   He also varies his pace considerably with more variations in speed than he used to have.

Yes, age is a factor as well - but I do not think that is the over-riding one in his case. 


Ek

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RE: Second test thread
January 14, 2013, 08:11:11

"I think that in the case of certain pitches - like the St George's one and those in the Sub-Continent accuracy is of much more importance than extremely fast bowling.

Steyn today is a much more scientific bowler than he was in 2007 and much more acurate than he used to be. He also varies his pace considerably with more variations in speed than he used to have.

Yes, age is a factor as well - but I do not think that is the over-riding one in his case. "

 

Brilliantly put Mike, That is what makes him a better bowler now, but all beeno seems to se is the speedgun.

That spell in the first innings his slowest ball was 137. Fastest around 148. he had and average of just over 140. That is plenty fast enough.

 

On another note, Did anyone see Kallis' pace yesterday? He had one over where he didn't bowl a ball slower than 134. His fastes was around 138. Is the old man turning up the pcae in his old age :)


Beeno1

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RE: Second test thread
January 14, 2013, 09:04:09

Ek and Mike please keep it real. Steyn bowls a fast spell and suddenly he is bowling consistently as fast as he was in 2007!! Why do you think the commentators showed those stats and posed the question etc. Because, exactly as I have observed Steyn's pace is down on prior years. No more excuses please oaks - just accept the plain facts a sgiven by the observant Beeno.

Wha thappened then in the second innings. On th isort of wicket pac ei skey. As w esa in the first innings. However what happened -  Steyn slowed up. Next you will be telling me they wanted to prolong the test because of revenue issues.

Also please accept Steyn swing the ball at ove 140 is more dangerous that Steyn swing the ball as 135 kph. It is the very fact that he is able to swing the ball at high pace that has made him the bowler of stature he is. As that pace declines so will his stats.

The realistic Beeno warning the Steyn groupies of the future trends re Steyn. I think he could probably play test cricket till say 34 and will still be getting wickets but not as many and not as cheaply. We are on a slow decline here. 

 

 


Ek

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RE: Second test thread
January 14, 2013, 09:23:24

no one implied that he is bowling consistently fast.

On the contrary, we just implied that he can still crack it up when he want's to but that is not his main weapons anymore.

We are impying that you only see the speedgun and wickets. None of the finer finesse that he has and nobody else does.


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RE: Second test thread
January 14, 2013, 12:50:38

South Africa Wrap it up with an innings and 193 runs. very convincing effort by Greame and the boys.

Hundreds by Amla, Faf and a maiden test century by Dean Elgar (a worthy effort from him and evetually paying off as a stand in for JP did better already than Jacques rudolph, with Faf also in the Squad however i don't see him keeping his place when JP is back as JP's bowling is sure to be a positive)

MOTM:

Dale Steyn with match figures of 8/65 is the man of the match. With Philander out steyn was again running hard at the batsmen.


Beeno1

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RE: Second test thread
January 14, 2013, 12:54:24

Black cap in hands lose by an innings and 193 runs! These village cricketers need to up their game or their continuation in test cricket may be in jeopardy.  

Wonder when ou brycy will think its safe to creep back onto the board. Hahahahahhahahaha

Ek please dont carry on and on like this - accept Steyn is slowing up.

End of story!


Ek

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RE: Second test thread
January 14, 2013, 13:13:32

Hehe, Beeno where did I not accept he is slowing up. Just teasing you a bit as you don't see any of his other strong points, just pace and pace......

I had a look at the pitch spread yesterday.

You know what makes South Africa such an extraordinary bowling unit these days?

I believe it's Donald.

You can compare all the south African Bowlers before and after Donald took over, well that is except Philander as Donald brought him in.

They are bowling much tighter on a good lentgh in line with the fourth stump. Very Basic Principle I really want to commend Donald on the work he has put in with the bowlers. I am just a bit wary about his ability to help with our spinners in the long run. Maybe they should get in a Spinning specialist on contract for a while, JP Duminy, Faf du Plessis, Robbie Peterson, Aaron Phangiso and Tahir could all benefit from that.


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RE: Second test thread
January 14, 2013, 14:25:09

Ek I still recall how OZ carved up this attack so I am not overly impressed as to what happened against the hapless Nz oaks.

But I have to agree the line looks to be a bit better. Kleinveldt is also useful in that he moves it both ways. Get him up over 140 and he will be a handful.

I was diappointed Alviro didnt get a few more overs he really turned the ball and looked like he could bowl a bit. Smith was a bad a joke in his one over!

A spin coach would be great but we need to start them off correctly ealier. Spin is an neglected art!

We have no really decent wrist spinner and this remains so decade after decade.


Ek

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RE: Second test thread
January 14, 2013, 14:58:49

Yeah agreed Beeno, We have a collosal gap in the bringing through of young spinners. I rememeber very few kids when I was young that really wanted to spin. We didn't have south African guys to look up to really, shane warne was the guy. But spinning in South Afruica as you have said Is a real neglected artform. Maybe they can start specific spinning clinics for kids that show potential and Get in some spinning greats from the sub continent to help out. Cause it will always be a lack if they don't give it some attention.


Ek

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RE: Second test thread
January 14, 2013, 14:59:27

Yeah agreed Beeno, We have a collosal gap in the bringing through of young spinners. I rememeber very few kids when I was young that really wanted to spin. We didn't have south African guys to look up to really, shane warne was the guy. But spinning in South Afruica as you have said Is a real neglected artform. Maybe they can start specific spinning clinics for kids that show potential and Get in some spinning greats from the sub continent to help out. Cause it will always be a lack if they don't give it some attention.


Beeno1

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RE: Second test thread
January 14, 2013, 16:18:44

Ek i tis the obvious thing to do. Get in a guy like Anil kumble. or Harbajan . Terry Jenner of OZ was I last heard was a legspin master coach.

Maybe we can turn Faf into real legspin option. What a boost it would be to find a great spinner who could be a role model. All the kids want to be a Dale Steyn etc.


Ek

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RE: Second test thread
January 14, 2013, 16:48:36

Defintely Agree, maybe Faf could turn into a realistic legspin option. Maybe he Should turn a spin in the IPL and see what happens, we all know he does it for the Titans.

I just saw Alviro's 4 overs only went for 6 runs econ is 1.5 very good for a part timer. Maybe more?


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RE: Second test thread
January 15, 2013, 08:55:50

Ek Alviro bowled with a nice loop and got some real turn. The guys is a bit of an unsung hero in the team. has batted well and fielded nicely in the slips.


Ek

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RE: Second test thread
January 15, 2013, 09:03:46

His bowling could then be something to investigate in the future.

But we would need to see more of him as it could have been the unknown factor as well.


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