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Sharkbok

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Puke Watson Senior - Hoping SARU will change ruling for Kings
January 09, 2013, 19:17:07

 

Watson hoping SARU will change ruling for Kings

Southern Kings President Cheeky Watson

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Southern Kings President Cheeky Watson is confident that he can persuade the South African Rugby Union to allow them to field at least four foreign players in their Super Rugby squad.

The South African Rugby Union (SARU) say that they have immediate plans to change a ruling for all South African Super Rugby franchises which limits the number of foreign players to just two.

The Kings have named a 40 strong provisional Super Rugby squad which includes five foreigners.

"The matter is still being debated by SA Rugby but I am hopeful that we will be given clearance to play four foreign players," Watson told BDlive.

The Kings were formed to develop black rugby talent in the Eastern Cape but Watson has repeatedly said that developing talent will take time so the franchise needs to field foreigners players in the interim.

The Southern Kings foreign players already on contract are Tomas Leonardi and Nicolas Vergallo (both Argentina), Daniel Adongo (Kenya), Virgile Lacombe (France) and Hadleigh Parkes (New Zealand). It is however believed Kenyan Adongo is considering taking up South African citizenship.

Watson plans to get SARU to allow them to field four foreigners and if Adongo becomes South Africa the Kings can field all five players.

However SARugby have no plans at all to change the ruling.

"Nothing has changed on the ruling made last year and at this stage nothing is expected to change," Saru spokesman Andy Colquhoun said.

The Southern Kings replaced the Lions for the 2013 Super Rugby season and in order for them to remain in the tournament they will have to avoid finishing last in the South African teams but if they do they will have to beat the Lions on a home and away basis.

The Kings were only given a gaurantee of Super Rugby for one year and it seems that even SARU expect them to struggle this year as provisional dates for the promotion/relegation matches have been released and both matches are before the end of the Super Rugby season.

The matches have been scheduled for July the 27th (Venue TBC) and the 3rd of August at Ellis Park.

The Super Rugby final is also on the 3rd of August so it appears that the powers that be in South African rugby are banking on the Kings not making the finals.

 


Sharkbok

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RE: Puke Watson Senior - Hoping SARU will change ruling for Kings
January 09, 2013, 19:21:07

 How can they have a promotion relegation match with the Lions during the SuperXV? 

Surely it should be after the tournament..... SARU is run by a bunch of monkeys. It is bad enough that the Kings are only being given one year for commercial reasons this makes it very hard to contract players. So each year South Africa is going to have a relegation match so that the team coming in and going out will struggle to gain and retain good players


Ek

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RE: Puke Watson Senior - Hoping SARU will change ruling for Kings
January 10, 2013, 09:25:17

he matches have been scheduled for July the 27th (Venue TBC) and the 3rd of August at Ellis Park.

The Super Rugby final is also on the 3rd of August so it appears that the powers that be in South African rugby are banking on the Kings not making the finals

Sharkbok

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RE: Puke Watson Senior - Hoping SARU will change ruling for Kings
January 09, 2013, 19:21:07

 How can they have a promotion relegation match with the Lions during the SuperXV?

Surely it should be after the tournament..... SARU is run by a bunch of monkeys. It is bad enough that the Kings are only being given one year for commercial reasons this makes it very hard to contract players. So each year South Africa is going to have a relegation match so that the team coming in and going out will struggle to gain and retain good players

 

 

Hmmmm... I see someone needs some help here.

1. It will not neceserily be the Kings that are involved in the Promotion Relegation playoffs. It will be the last placed South African team.

2.Therefore this team will not take part in the finals stage of the competition as they will obviously not qualify for the Playoffs.

Therefore we can safely assume that the team that plays against the Lions in the Promotion Relegation contest will not do it while they are still busy with the tournament.

 

Does that clear things up?


Sharkbok

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RE: Puke Watson Senior - Hoping SARU will change ruling for Kings
January 10, 2013, 11:22:04

 so the round stages tournament is complete on July the 27th? 

That makes sense. They have just assumed that the Kings will not be in the finals, which is a logical assumption I suppose.

SARU has succeeded in making a laughing stock out of the Kings and SA. It was not possibale to recruit players with only one year in the tournament. A chicken and egg situation.


Ek

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RE: Puke Watson Senior - Hoping SARU will change ruling for Kings
January 10, 2013, 11:28:23

"They have ust assumed that the Kings will not be in the finals, which is a logical assumptiuon I suppose."

What does that mean, are you assuming that the Kings are going to play in the Relegation match?

Who says they are the lowest ranked South African Team by the end of the season?

Maybe the Cheetahs or bulls have to play the Lions for a spot?

We should not just assume, even if it is most logical, we have no real basis to base that on.

Who says maybe the Kings don't even take part in the Relegation, or they top the log.

 


Sharkbok

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RE: Puke Watson Senior - Hoping SARU will change ruling for Kings
January 10, 2013, 11:28:58

 complete before July the 27th? 

By this stage the Kings will just be a mountain of rubble. They have such a poor squad to start with, imagine what will be left of them at the end of the tournament. Then they have to play a Lions teamed that should be well rested and at full strength.

Although come to think of it, any Lions players loaned to other unions, will not be available? What if 3 SA team make the play offs again?

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Ek

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RE: Puke Watson Senior - Hoping SARU will change ruling for Kings
January 10, 2013, 11:36:24

Again my Question Sharkbok, You are already asuming that the Kings are going to be involved in the Relegation games. We don't know anything yet...

Maybe the Sharks come last .....


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RE: Puke Watson Senior - Hoping SARU will change ruling for Kings
January 10, 2013, 13:47:49

Ek I prefer you sane to when you are behaving like a loonie!!  Maybe the Sharks will come last!!!  Pleeeease EK!

Look the only SA franchise they have the vaguest chance of beating is the Cheethas. The most likely outcome is the queens will be wooden sponests.and it will not be a surprise if they fail to win a game. Against the best sides they could well take a severe beating.

I think SARFU were forced to give the queens only a guaranteed one year or face being sued for fielding a substandard franchise. There is NO rugby merit justification for the queens playing this year. The Queen have not even played Currie Cup rugby.

If the queens really implode there is going to be a big outcry. I once heard we are obliged to field our best. Imagine if an extra point means a home final. Imagine the squeals by oz and Nz re our  other 4 teams getting TWO easy games.

No expect some fall out from this unles somehow the queens surprise us.


bluebok

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RE: Puke Watson Senior - Hoping SARU will change ruling for Kings
January 10, 2013, 14:06:18

Seriouisly EK, I am with Beans on this one, I think you been smoking some of gautengs finest dagga if you think the king will somehow not end bottom of the log. They don't have the players, coaches, experience, MANAGEMENT or anything else required to make a successful team. They WILL fail, and if they don't, I will gladly eat humble pie....but I am pretty sure I'll be going hungry.

 

I am assuming, and quite correctly so, that the Kings are going to be a massive flop in Super Rugby.


Ek

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RE: Puke Watson Senior - Hoping SARU will change ruling for Kings
January 10, 2013, 14:30:56

Bluebok/Beeno, what I think is irrelevant and not the point.

Making an assumption based on nothing is the point.

What evidence do you have that the Kings don't have good Coaching staff? Or the organisational structure to make it?

You can't base this on the Vodacom cup side, It is a totally different side, The only person on that management team that is the same is Alan Solomons.

What i am trying to say is I will wait and make my assumptions as soon as i see what they are capable of, and not before that.


bluebok

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RE: Puke Watson Senior - Hoping SARU will change ruling for Kings
January 10, 2013, 15:04:21

The coaches at the Kings are relatively unknown, and have not got proven track records at this level of the game. The players are has been's, left overs and basically a bunch of guys that couldn't get into any of the "real" super rugby sides. They will no doubt be led by Luke Watson, who is only there because daddy is boss. Granted, he was a relatively good player a few years back, but that was a long time ago. The president of the club is a man who has only achieved success because of his political connections, which can help with many things, but not winning games. They will fail.

 

If your argument is that everything is subject to a percentage of unpredictability, no matter how small that perccentage, then I gues it is true. But when the odds are 99% certain......well that is all I need to make a decision.


Ek

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RE: Puke Watson Senior - Hoping SARU will change ruling for Kings
January 10, 2013, 15:13:32

Are you that certain?

Actually the coaches aren't that unknown or unproven.

Matt Sexton was part of the NZ u19 coaching staff for the 2009 IRB junior World Cup. Done his stint in the Junior leagues in New Zealand and the NPC. Played a big role in the Crusaders development squads.

He is a very good coach, by any measure, It is his first stint on the big leagues correct yes. But he is the wild card they have, I think you are underestimating the ability of this management team.

Personally I think they have one of the best coaching structures in South Africa, but that is just me.

They are short on player personel, they will most likely come last in the South African conference.

However that is not as certain as you would like to make it out. They do have the ability to upset a few so be carefull to judge prematurely.

As i said I will refrain from assuming as certainly as you are until I see how they are actually performing, then I shall decide.


bluebok

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RE: Puke Watson Senior - Hoping SARU will change ruling for Kings
January 10, 2013, 15:28:33

OK EK, I see where you are coming from, and I suppose you are right, we can't fill in the "End of the season table" just yet. But forget the other nation's teams. They still have to try to beat the Bulls, Sharks, Stormers or Cheetahs, and all four teams were very competative in last years tournament. Secondly, they are surely going to get hammered in a few of their early matches, and with each hiding their confidence will drop, making it harder and harder as the season goes on. I am too lazy to check, but I think their first match is against the Rebels....arguably the worst team in the competition, apart from the Kings, if they get a hiding in that game, which is entirely plausable, it will just be a downward spiral from then onwards.

 

Look who knows, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe the Kings somehow start to expolit the undeniably strong talent pool down in that part of the world, and create another South African powerhouse of rugby.....


Ek

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RE: Puke Watson Senior - Hoping SARU will change ruling for Kings
January 10, 2013, 15:33:38

ahhhh glad we have some logic prevailing. Now we can discuss :)

Yeah you have a point. If they loose that first game It will hit them hard. The coaching staff are young that is except for Alan Solomons. So maybe they can pull that young mans bravery thing off. For them i hope it works.

Statistically they are really up against it..... But If they pull it off some of us are going to have some real pie in our faces.


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