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clevermike

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Sasue Special Message
December 13, 2012, 22:05:12

Sasue

There is a short video about Timo Swiel on the internet.   Google it - and tell me what you think about that youngster - he is only 18 years of age.


sasuke uchiha

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RE: Sasue Special Message
December 13, 2012, 23:39:48

@clevermike,

i saw a 10 minute clip of this dude on utube and i was very impressed and im not easily impressed by guys at that level, cos there have been a dime a dozen of those type of players who fad into obscurity as the years go by. i dont get that feeling from this dude and its easy to tell hes a bit of a local legend and i will be looking out for him for sure. ive already watched that clip three times, LMAO, :oP

 

sweil has shades of AB legend christain cullen in his ball in hand skills, but posses the typical trademark saffa flyhlaf high quality all round kicking game.
the ease in which he was beating some of those defenders was pretty [removed] hot, but it was the different tricks up his sleeve that had me going holy crap. the hip swivel when running which is very too vaega like, that dagg like goose step, the litttle chips over head which he reagthers like jeff wilson, that sick offload after drawing in 4 defenders, tactical kicking, long distant goal kicking, long accurate cut out passes, damn this dude is a huge talent and i cant wait to see more of him.

 

lebron james was the first athlete to ever make the cover of sports illustrated while still in high school and we all know how he turned out, and im getting the same vibes off sweil that i got when my bro showed me my first lebron james clip,


allblacknblue

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RE: Sasue Special Message
December 13, 2012, 23:52:29

Very good like Quade cooper....... Sooooo my question would be can the boy tackle? Cause i didn't see him make a single one.


sasuke uchiha

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RE: Sasue Special Message
December 14, 2012, 00:32:38

@allblacknblue,

 

even though i only saw a 10 minute highlight of the dude and taking into account the level of competiton he was up against, i dont think quade 'cant tackle to save his life' cooper holds a candle to swiel in the attacking department, way more tricks than that overrated aussie crybaby.

 

but thats a great question, can the dude tackle??? i was completely bambozzled by his attack that i didnt even notice the no defnece footage, LMAO, :oP


Sharkbok

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RE: Sasue Special Message
December 14, 2012, 01:57:04

 agreed all. I watched the YouTube video and he looks like an allround player.

The only possibale reservation is the quality of the opposition- can he do it in the SuperXV and internationals.

I think he be in the bok squad sooner rather than later.

Watching him play I would have him as my starting 10 for the Stormers this year.

On the tackle question, is he physical enough for Super/International level, Do not want to push him like Goosen had been pushed. Apart from his exceptional running, how is his passing- It is amazing.

If Goosen is our best flyhalf talent, this guy looks even better. 

Reminds me of Carlos Spencer with the no look passes and offloads. 


Beeno1

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December 14, 2012, 09:03:11

Huge praise indeed. Mike can you post the link please. 


JeromeV

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RE: Sasue Special Message
December 14, 2012, 09:18:16

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYT56lzoMAs 


Beeno1

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December 14, 2012, 09:38:02

Many  thanks Lucid I will take a peak. I saw Swiel briefly but he didnt do much and so I am delighted he is so highly thought of.

Flyhalf is undoubtedly the most important position on the field and a great flyhalf for the Stormers would be a huge boost in the years to come.


Beeno1

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December 14, 2012, 09:53:04

Cetainly brilliant at this level showing all the skills bar tackling which the video was clealy not showcasing.

However there is a huge huge jump from school rugby to Super 15 . Here is hoping Tim is the real deal.

 


JeromeV

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RE: Sasue Special Message
December 14, 2012, 10:15:23

No problem Beeno its definitely worth taking a look, he certainly has the potential to develop as a great fly half. I believe Timo can make a transition to fullback which i think he'll be more useful for the boks in the future, since we already have Goosen, Lambie Jantjies, Catrakilis in development. More importantly we should select a more attacking mentalitly fullback for the future, we desperately need one and i believe Timo Swiel fits in that category in terms of playstyle like Isreal Dagg, but i would give him time to progress first.


clevermike

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December 14, 2012, 12:34:27

Sasue

I am really impressed as ro whar you said about Swiel.   He looks very promising and I think he may play well in future.   Would like to see how he develops.   From what I have seen he is better than Pollard was at his age - he seems to have more ball sense than Pollard has - so he may be someone to watch out for in future.


Beeno1

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December 14, 2012, 12:49:33

Mike I agree. From what we saw of Pollard in the WC he appears to be a good kicking flyhalf. Never saw him show these skills. Probalby doesnt have them.

We need snapsters defining input!


Ek

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RE: Sasue Special Message
December 14, 2012, 13:52:11

Pollard

HEIGHT 189 cm
WEIGHT 96 Kg
BIRTH DATE 11 March 1994
PLAYER WRITE-UP
 

Playing Position: Flyhalf
2007 - Western Province U13 Craven Week
2010 - WP U16 Grant Khomo Week 2012 - WP U18 Craven Week

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South Africa SA Schools 2012 - 2012
South Africa IRB Junior World Championship - 2012
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Swiel

HEIGHT 180 cm
WEIGHT 80 Kg
BIRTH DATE 04 June 1993
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Playing Position: Fullback
Wp u15 Elite Squqd Wp u16 Grant Khomo week
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DHL Western Province ABSA Under 21 Competition - 2012
SA Schools SA Schools - 2011
WP U18 Craven Week - 2011
WP U18 Academy Week - 2010
WP U16 Grant Khomo - 2009

Technically Mike Pollard has never been Swiel's age as Swiel is one year older than Pollard. Swiel was competing against Tony Jantjies and Johan Goosen for a spot in the Baby boks side last year. Swiel got injured, then goosen, Pollard a year younger than them then got the go ahead.

Timo played for the WP u21 team this year the one that played the final against the Blue bull side. He was up against Tony Jantjies.


Ek

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RE: Sasue Special Message
December 14, 2012, 13:52:12

Apploogies Double Post


clevermike

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December 14, 2012, 16:18:04

Ek

I don't think Tony Jantjies started in the Under 21 Final - he came on fairly late as a replacement.

I like Pollard - but I think he is not as good as a ball player.    I think he is more like Morne Steyn in most of the games I saw him play in.   Solid - seemingly a better ball distributor than Morne is at present - but on the "dull" side.   That is perhaps why he decided to move to the Bulls - their style of play would fit him like a glove.

I believe smaller players - Like Lambie has to have a cleverer approach to play - and they are much more adventurous.   As an example I don't think Pollard would from his style of play ever score 14 tries in Craven week - like Swiel managed to do.

I also think Goosen can be classified as a "clever" player.   Let me add - I prefer "clever" players - ie those with ball sense - at flyhalf than the more predestrian ones.     

 


Beeno1

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RE: Sasue Special Message
December 14, 2012, 16:36:59

Hmmmm 80 kg -  that is NOT good. Will he cope physically. 

How good an atttacking flyhalf is Pollard?


clevermike

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December 14, 2012, 17:26:54

Beeno

Allow me to put the Swiel stats a bit in perspective:-

Lambie           -       Height            =            177

                               Weight           =             83 kgs

Jantjies          -       Height            =             176

                              Weight           =               84 kgs

Swiel             -       Height            =             180

                              Weight           =               80 kgs

There is no doubt that Sweil will add another 5 or so kgs to his frame over the next two years.   I think we both rate Lambie is a very good flyhalf - you rate Jantjies (I don't).     I cannot from a stats perspective see any reason why Swiel should not make the grade - provided he applies himself fully and he shows defensive skills as well.

See what I said in my message to Ek above as to the attacking skills of Pollard.   I have not seen anything really substantial insofar as the attacking skills by Pollard in either the Under 20 WC and the subsequent Craven Week was concerned - he did play a few games before injury.     With due respect - Pollard looks a lot like a younger version of Morne Steyn - not a dynamic flyhalf that is required in the modern format of the game.

 

 

 

 


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