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Beeno1

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World 15 selection made
December 13, 2012, 08:34:04

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After an action-packed year, we acknowledge the leading players of 2012 in our annual Team of the Year.

The Southern Hemisphere’s superiority is immediately apparent in our selection as just a solitary Northern Hemisphere player cracked the nod in our 2012 vintage.
The All Blacks’ dominance this season is also reflected with the world champions boasting seven players in our line-up. (Some poor selections here - Conrad Smith - hahahaha - Read where was he in Dunedin or against England - a show pony of note!! Aaron Smith - pleeeease the England scrummie lewft him in the dust!!!!!! Mcaaaw was pretty ordinary. Where is Francois Louw!!!!!!)
The Springboks were pragmatic if not spectacular in their first season under Heyneke Meyer and their trademark physicality sees them make up the bulk of our granite tight five.   
Two legends of the game bowed out at the top this season and bolster and side one final time but ironically, there was no place in our team for 2012 IRB Player of the Year Dan Carter, who struggled with injuries.
The bubbling under section has a distinct Northern Hemisphere flavour to it with players from Wales, Ireland, Italy and Scotland in the mix.
Our Team of the Year:
15 Israel Dagg
(New Zealand)
Dagg underlined his status as the world’s pre-eminent fullback with a string of exhilarating performances in the black jersey. His elusive counter-attacking, timing of joining the line and sublime angles saw him score five tries in 13 Tests. His long and accurate kicking out of hand and solidity under the high ball made him the most complete No.15 of 2012.   
Bubbling under: Leigh Halfpenny (Wales)
14 JP Pietersen (South Africa)
Pietersen re-established himself as one of the deadliest wings in the game this year by emulating the form he showed in 2007. His return to top form began with the Sharks in Super Rugby, where he displayed his versatility on both wings and at outside centre, and he cut England’s defence to shreds during the Springboks’ three-Test home series in June. Limited to just six Tests due to injury, Pietersen still nabbed the SARU Players’ Player of the Year award, a testament to the impact he made in 2012.
Bubbling under: Tommy Bowe (Ireland)
13 Conrad Smith (New Zealand)
Arguably the most cerebral centre in world rugby, the All Black veteran was streets ahead of the pretenders to our No.13 jersey. Smith led a new-look Hurricanes side to a credible eighth place finish in Super Rugby before he unleashed the All Black outside backs with an array of elegant touches. With the 31-year-old on the pitch, the All Blacks made scoring look easy and much of their fluency was as a result of Smith’s play-making prowess.   
Bubbling under: Jonathan Davies (Wales)
12 Sonny Bill Williams (New Zealand)
The ultimate playmaker helped propel the Chiefs to their first ever Super Rugby title with his uncanny ability to offload in the tackle and crash over the gainline seemingly at will. A polarising figure due to his Rugby League and boxing exploits, Williams not only adapted but flourished in Rugby Union, proving himself as the real deal and going out on a high following the All Blacks’ 22-0 shutout of the Wallabies in Auckland. The game will be a lesser one without the majestic Sonny Bill.    
Bubbling under: Ma’a Nonu (New Zealand)
11 Bryan Habana (South Africa)
The 29-year-old was sensational for the Stormers and sublime for South Africa, hardly the most enterprising provincial and Test teams around. Injury to Pietersen meant Habana had to shift to the right wing for the Rugby Championship, and he went on to score six tries in as many Tests, including the International Rugby Players’ Association’s Try of the Year against the All Blacks in Dunedin. With Julian Savea sharing the All Black No.11 jersey with Hosea Gear for the majority of the season, the SARU Player of the Year is our pick on the left wing.
Bubbling under: Julian Savea (New Zealand)
10 Frederic Michalak (France)
Michalak’s unlikely return to Les Bleus five years after he was dumped from the national side was the comeback story of the year. An impressive Super Rugby season with the Durban-based Sharks reignited Michalak’s Test career and the 30-year-old excelled back at flyhalf for France. Michalak inspired Les Blues to a 33-6 demolition of the Wallabies in Paris, guided them to a crucial fourth place on the IRB World Rankings and was deservedly included in a four-man shortlist for the coveted IRB Player of the Year award.
Bubbling under: Dan Carter (New Zealand)
9 Aaron Smith (New Zealand)
The first of two players in our side to make their Test debuts in 2012, Smith became a legend killer of sorts as he first displaced Jimmy Cowan as starting scrumhalf at the Highlanders before wrestling the All Black No.9 jersey from Piri Weepu. Scoring four tries and winning both the Bledisloe Cup and Rugby Championship is not a bad way to kick-off your international career.
Bubbling under: Morgan Parra (France)
8 Kieran Read (New Zealand) (Make that Duane Vermuelen please! Man of the match against England - did Read play against England?)
Read captained the Crusaders with aplomb whilst producing consistently world-class performances (Playing in the backline but disappreared when the going got tough!!) and carried that form into the Rugby Championship and New Zealand’s end-of-year tour. Whilst he was bafflingly omitted from the IRB Player of the Year shortlist, the world’s best eighthman had the honour of captaining the All Blacks for the first time against Italy in Rome and is in line to win his second New Zealand Player of the Year award.   
Bubbling under: Sergio Parisse (Italy)
7 Richie McCaw (New Zealand) (Hahahahhahahahahahaha)
McCaw had to make up some ground after missing the early stages of Super Rugby but he once again proved himself as the premier openside flank in the game in his iconic black No.7 jersey. The 27-year-old talisman became the first player in history to notch up 100 Test wins when he led the All Blacks to a 32-16 win over the Springboks in Soweto and ensured that the gap between the best and the rest widened in 2012.(It hardly seemed to widen at Twicks - Bwahahahahahahaha the bubble burst that day but the writing was on the wall after Dunedin - these oaks are just too dumb to see what Beeno clearly saw!)
Bubbling under: Michael Hooper (Australia)
6 Juan Martin Fernandez Lobbe (Argentina)
Considering Read’s rich vein of form, Lobbe slots in at No.6, where he played in the end-of-year internationals. The extra responsibility of captaining Argentina on a full-time basis had no ill affect on Lobbe as he led the Pumas to a promising debut season in the Rugby Championship. The 31-year-old was one of the form players of the four-nation tournament and produced a faultless performance at flank in the 26-12 win over Wales in Cardiff.   
Bubbling under: Dan Lydiate (Wales)
5 Nathan Sharpe (Australia)
The old war horse twice postponed his retirement to lead the Wallabies through a turbulent 2012 and turned back the clock in the process as he carried, jumped, tackled, rucked and mauled like a player in his prime. He was the heartbeat of the wounded Wallabies and only enhanced his already stellar legacy in the admirable way in which he captained his country in his final season. (A fit Bekker is twice the forward)
Bubbling under: Brodie Retallick (New Zealand) (What!!!! [removed]lick!!)
 4 Eben Etzebeth (South Africa)
No greenhorn made a greater statement this season than the SARU Young Player of the Year. That he made his Super Rugby debut for the Stormers and Springbok bow prior to playing his first Currie Cup game emphasis the meteoric rise of 21-year-old Etzebeth. His bulldozing of Springbok and Sharks hardman Bismarck du Plessis put players the world over on notice – rugby’s next big thing has arrived.   
Bubbling under: Richie Gray (Scotland)
3 Jannie du Plessis (South Africa)  
Never before in his decorated career was Du Plessis’ standing in and worth to South African rugby clearer than in 2012. Both the Sharks and Springboks played him to the bone. The 30-year-old played in no less than 34 matches (12 Tests, 19 Super Rugby and three Currie Cup games) this year and scrummaged as strongly and passionately in the season finale at Twickenham as he did in the Super Rugby season opener at Loftus.  
Bubbling under: Owen Franks (New Zealand)
2 Adriaan Strauss (South Africa)
An injury to first-choice Springbok hooker Bismarck du Plessis paved the way for Strauss to finally enjoy an extended run in the green and gold and he took the opportunity with both hands. Arguably the most consistent player of the year, the 27-year-old was soon promoted to the Springbok vice-captaincy and has been tipped by World Cup-winning Springbok skipper John Smit as an ideal candidate to lead South Africa into the 2015 global showpiece.    
Bubbling under: Bismarck du Plessis (South Africa)
1 Rodrigo Roncero (Argentina)
The oldest player in our 2012 vintage, the 35-year-old spearheaded the Pumas’ revered pack in the Rugby Championship and gave all comers a torrid time in the set-piece with his experience and technique. As one of the last characters in the modern game, the emotional Puma prop will be missed.
Bubbling under: Cian Healy (Ireland)
Considering how the abs loose trio got muched by the Boks in Dunedin and how the Poms wacked them so badly how in the world do wee read and mcaaaw make the side!!! Conrad Smith is a plodder of note and was shown up by the poms as well. Too many new zealand plonkers selected!
Nice to see Strauss and Jannie getting some acknowledgement. That no Bok loose forward was chosen  was a travesty
Our individual selections:
Jan de Koning XV:
15 Israel Dagg, 14 JP Pietersen, 13 Conrad Smith, 12 Sonny Bill Williams, 11 Craig Gilroy, 10 Frederic Michalak, 9 Aaron Smith, 8 Kieran Read, 7 Richie McCaw, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Nathan Sharpe, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Bismarck du Plessis, 1 Rodrigo Roncero.
Michael de Vries XV: 15 Israel Dagg, 14 JP Pietersen, 13 Conrad Smith, 12 Sonny Bill Williams, 11 Julian Savea, 10 Frederic Michalak, 9 Aaron Smith, 8 Kieran Read, 7 Richie McCaw, 6 Juan Martin Fernandez Lobbe, 5 Brodie Retallick, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Owen Franks, 2 Adriaan Strauss, 1 Rodrigo Roncero.
Quintin van Jaarsveld XV: 15 Israel Dagg, 14 JP Pietersen, 13 Conrad Smith, 12 Ma'a Nonu, 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Frederic Michalak, 9 Aaron Smith, 8 Kieran Read, 7 Richie McCaw, 6 Juan Martin Fernandez Lobbe,  5 Nathan Sharpe, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Adriaan Strauss, 1 Rodrigo Roncero.
Paul Dobson XV: 15 Leigh Halfpenny, 14 Chris Ashton, 13 Conrad Smith, 12 Ma’a Nonu, 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Daniel Carter, 9 Morgan Parra, 8 Kieran Read, 7 Richie McCaw, 6 Juan Martin Fernandez Lobbe, 5 Nathan Sharpe, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Owen Franks, 2 Adriaan Strauss, 1 Rodrigo Roncero.
Len Kaplan XV: 15 Israel Dagg, 14 Bryan Habana, 13 Conrad Smith, 12 Sonny Bill Williams, 11 Vincent Clerc, 10 Daniel Carter, 9 Aaron Smith, 8 Kieran Read, 7 Richie McCaw, 6 Juan Martin Fernandez Lobbe, 5 Nathan Sharpe, 4 Pascal Pape, 3 Dan Cole, 2 Adriaan Strauss, 1 Rodrigo Roncero


Ek

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RE: World 15 selection made
December 13, 2012, 08:49:37

South africa arguably has the best hooker depth in the world. 2 players competing for the spot and probably 3 others that could walk into most international sides. What a nice dilemma for Meyer to have.


Beeno1

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RE: World 15 selection made
December 13, 2012, 09:23:28

Ek I am watching with interest wha thappens re Beast and Coenie. I do not agree that Coenie on the loosehead is a poor srummager. Outside the s[removed] he is immense. I hope he and Beast return to full fitness and Coenie can stay at loosehead. Naka seems to think Coenie will be okay but Moz is very doubtful.

Our Tighthead look like being Jannie and Malherbe and possibly Marcell. Kitshoff if keeps improving could force his way in asa loosehead. He is a very good allround player. (The Stormer young guns will I beieive be making a statement in 2013) 

Given the strength in the tight five we could squeeze in a faster player like Burger at 7 for Alberts. Or Try Coetzee at 8 with Vermuelen at 7 etc. To be considered particualry on hard fast fields.

2013 will be better than the respectable 2012 season barring injuries and bent refs.

 


sasuke uchiha

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RE: World 15 selection made
December 13, 2012, 10:29:12

those All Black players should clearly be there & then some. we won 85% of our games and had the best year of all teams in 2012.


also im not surprised to see McCaws name up there, he has been hands down the best loose forward in the world in 2012, take a look at the dunedin test,,,

dunedin test,,,
 

Pos   T/A Pts K/P/R MR CB DB OL TO Tack LO Pen Y/R
F McCaw 0/0 0 0/2/7 46 1 1 0 2 10/1 1/0 0 0/0


VS

Pos   T/A Pts K/P/R MR CB DB OL TO Tack LO Pen Y/R
F Louw 0/0 0 0/0/8 11 0 0 0 0 6/0 0/0 3 0/0
F Alberts 0/0 0 0/0/5 10 0 0 0 1 6/2 0/0 0 0/0
N8 Vermeulen 0/0 0 0/1/9 7 0 0 0 1 5/0 2/0 0 0/0


McCaw made 10 tackles in the game compared the Boks trio of 11, his attack was better on attack than all three of the loose forwards breaking tackles and the line more than all three of them put together.
the dunedin test isnt an isolated test either, McCaws numbers would be high in all the tests bar the england test.

 

i also wouldnt pick SBW or haban either, neither were avilable for the EOYT & SBW missed four tests in the IRC, for me participation and avalability is a preresquite to a selection, the same goes for jp pieterson which is crazy cos corey jane has been the benchmark winger bar none.


my team selection,,,

15 Israel Dagg, 14 Corey Jane, 13 Conrad Smith, 12 M[removed]amoa Tuilagi, 11 Julian Savea, 10 Daniel Carter, 9 Aaron Smith, 8 Kieran Read, 7 Richie McCaw, 6 Juan Martin Fernandez Lobbe, 5 Nathan Sharpe, 4 Luke Romano, 3 Owen Franks, 2 Adriaan Strauss, 1 Rodrigo Roncero.

16 Andrew Hore, 17 Tony Wood[removed], 18 Eban Ezebeth, 19 Marcel Coetzee, 20 Ruaan Pienaar, 21 Aaron Cruden, 22 Adam Ashley Cooper

 


Ek

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RE: World 15 selection made
December 13, 2012, 11:30:55

Sas on a point of comment. I do understand yes, that NZ wa the strongest team. however Individually the players weren't neceserily as good as you seem to suggest above. Personally I think that your team is a bit one sided ........

 


Sharkbok

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RE: World 15 selection made
December 13, 2012, 18:49:07

 sasuke you must be joking with your team selection-

15 Israel Dagg, 14 Corey Jane, 13 Conrad Smith, 12 M[removed]amoa Tuilagi, 11 Julian Savea, 10 Daniel Carter, 9 Aaron Smith, 8 Kieran Read, 7 Richie McCaw, 6 Juan Martin Fernandez Lobbe, 5 Nathan Sharpe, 4 Luke Romano, 3 Owen Franks, 2 Adriaan Strauss, 1 Rodrigo Roncero.

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The 4 players I have highlighted I believe should be in the world xv to play an invading alien race if a team was choosen right now.

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Habana and JP Pieterson are better players than both the All Black Wings. Aaron Smith has a good pass not much else. Luke Ramano would be better as  a loose forward. Where is Eztbeth?

 


sasuke uchiha

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RE: World 15 selection made
December 13, 2012, 19:13:45

each to their own boys, but IMO my team is the form team.

i will accpet that corey jane shouldnt be in there, but only cos he missed out on the irish test series and for my team being available for most if not all games is a big preresquite. but on the grounds that he does miss out, so does habana and jp pieterson, i mean seriously, how can jp pieterson who rate big time be in there when he didnt play in the IRC the biggest tournament in the world which contains the IRB top 3 ranked teams???
on an individual basis, there was hardly a game where corey jane wasnt his awesome self, even in the england test he played his worst game of the year, but still had some reall nice superstar moments which gave him a balanced rating in the game of sorts.
both habana and jp are good, but savea and jane had way better performances in 2012, anyone remember habana vs the pumas in mendoza??? being invisible maybe cool if ur a superhero, but its not an admirable trait in rugby.


 


sasuke uchiha

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RE: World 15 selection made
December 13, 2012, 19:20:04

as for connie, IMO hes a loosehead prop and i too think hes great as a scrummager and a force to be reckoned with everywhere else.
but the last i heard, his switch to tighthead is permanent due to the pressures in his neck on the loosehead side??? all i know is when he came off the bench in the sowetto test, he got creamed in the scrums and never once looked comfortable. but if he is going to stay in the No3 permanently, then maybe a spXV season under his belt will see him come right.

he had the potnetial to be a rugby legend in the loosehead the likes of oos du randt, but the jury  is still out on him at tighthead.

 

kitshoff is who im picking to be the future springbok loosehead, im a big fan of the way he plays the game. all i know is beast continues to get picked for reasons unknown when he hasnt played good rugtby for the Boks for the last 3 years,
 


clevermike

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RE: World 15 selection made
December 13, 2012, 21:31:43

Sasue

In essence i have a few problems wih you team selection - so let me explain further:-

 *    I am an admirer of Conrad Smith - but his defence can at best be described as a sieve.   However, his attacking abilities are better than any potewntial competitors.   Lucky to be in contention - but definitely not full proof.

 *    I am not so sure about your wing selection - but you got it wtong wiith Habana - he played enough games to be considred, whilsy I accept your reason for keeping out Pietersen.  

*    Are you serious about your selection of Romano?   He would not make the Springbok team as a lock - he is an average lock at best.   Etzebeth would have him for breakfast.  


Jalapeno!

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RE: World 15 selection made
December 13, 2012, 22:09:30

My 2012 World XV:

 

15 Israel Dagg

14 Chris Ashton

13 Conrad Smith

12 Manu Tuilagi

11 Bryan Habana

10 Daniel Carter

9 Aaron Smith

8 Kieran Read

7 Richie McCaw

6 Juan Martin Lobbe

5 Nathan Sharpe

4 Richie Gray

3 Dan Coles

2 Adriaan Strauss

1 Rodrigo Roncero

 

Note my team is based purely on 2012 form, not on biased and preconceived ignorance like Baboon-ou. I mean, what did Andries Bekker achieve in 2012 . . . and who would even consider talentless plodders like Vermeulen and Louw for a World XV? LMAO! What an idiot!!!!!!!


sasuke uchiha

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RE: World 15 selection made
December 13, 2012, 22:15:41

@clevermike,

the crazy thing with ur arguments on conrad is that he is widely considered to be a defensive center with great distribution skills. he can attack with the best of them, but defence and ball distribution is his trademark. of course the england test begs to differ, but throughout his career it has been so.

each to their own with habana, i concede that he was one of the Boks best players, but sowetto, 3rd eng tests and the puma draw had him playing kak to average level rugby.

have butted heads to many time with ur fellow Bok fans on romano over ezebeth, but IMO it is the case.

ezebeth is a great player, very strong and physical, but i havent seen one ounce of smarts in the boy and he remids me a lot of my high school rugby captain wh ripped the pads of the scrum machine and demanded that they do the scrum training like that, LMAO, :oP
romano has been immense for the All Blacks, a real physical behemoth and u might want to watch the sowtto test again to see who would eat who for breakfast, cos romano did a lot more with 20mins after coming from the bench than ezebeth aka the invisble man did in the 60mins before meyer yanked him off the field.
i always wanted to know if meyers evil stare and walkie talkie abuse seconds before ezebths tactical sub were related??? :o/
 


Jalapeno!

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RE: World 15 selection made
December 13, 2012, 22:21:22

Sashumi Uchikiwa or whatever, the World XV #4 jersey is a two horse race between Richie Gray and Luke Romano. The filthy eye-gouging thug Etzebeth shouldn't be considered until he grows up and stops trying to be the hard case in the team.

 

I thought Habana had a great season and was hands down the best left wing in 2012. Julian Savea showed that he could be a star for the future but no way was he better than Habana in 2012.


mozart

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RE: World 15 selection made
December 13, 2012, 22:45:00

Hahaha Rooinek, I can see why you don't want to discuss centre play......you pick Tuilagi an outside centre at 12, and play the toothless Conrad Smith at 13. Smith would be a zero in the Bok team , he looks good in a very competent backline. He, himself,  is at best adequate. And he, more than any other AB, lost the Pom test.


mozart

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RE: World 15 selection made
December 13, 2012, 22:50:51

There are simply too many Boks in this team. I don't believe JP, Jannie or Strauss performed at a world level. Etzebeth was clearly the best number 4 lock on the planet, Habana looked like the best left wing. For the rest we had a lot of worthy players....JP, Jean, the Beast, Strauss, Jannie , Vermeulen, Louw etc .....but none of these players should have made the World Team.


Jalapeno!

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RE: World 15 selection made
December 13, 2012, 22:53:28

Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

 

Moffie making a contribution on a rugby World XV thread!!! What's next? Julius Malema discussing economics? Baboon-ou talking about rocket science?

 

ROTFLMAO!


Arthur John

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RE: World 15 selection made
December 14, 2012, 00:46:51

 For sure one guy is going to be pi..ed off because Elton Jantjies was not mentioned.


mozart

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RE: World 15 selection made
December 14, 2012, 00:54:57

But could you talk about Rocket Science RooiAAS. What's the basic idea behind the Calculus of Variations. Have you ever read Mangasarian's definitive book, which I have in my library? Nope? Then best shut up hey?

 

As for your choice of Tuilagi at 12.....did you decide he is a better 12 than 13? Or did you simply react to the 3 tests he played at 12 in South Africa, necessitated by injuries and miss the fact that he was immediately returned to 13.

 

So you pick a guy at 12 for the World Team, who even the Poms were not prepared to keep there. Thick as a brick!


Beeno1

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RE: World 15 selection made
December 14, 2012, 08:48:42

saSUE one should pick the best player regardless of how many matches he has played. Take Bissie for example he should be there. All this stuff about JP didnt play enough has to be dismissed as a not so subtle move by the one eyed saSUE to exclude Boks!

saSUE we can pick the Bok tight five minus Beast who has not performed. Frankly a fit Coenie is the best loosehead on the planet so he would walk it. The loose trio in the cir[removed]stances would have to be the potent Bok trio. Louw is by a proverbail mile the best number 6 in the world right now. Read disappears in tough games and is a show pony. Mcaaaw is well simply not up to it as his form this year indicated dispite his groupies thinking he was playing well. Lobbe had a good season but would NOT make a Bok pack.

No it turns out that if all were fit and well we would have 8 Bok forwards in the world side:

Coenie, Bissie, Jannie, Etzebeth, Bekker, Louw, Vermuelen and Alberts.  Frankly no pack of forwards could face these guys down.

Scrumhalf is Genia - no questions asked please. Then we have Carter. Centers Jean and Tuilagi. Wings JP and Habana and fullback Dagg.  Jean of course would have to be captain.

This a side would eat ou rooitwits side for breakfast!

Now I am well aware that some may think there are too many Boks but really think about it. Without our first string pack we still beat England - who thrashed the abs.

No more bias against the Boks please saSUE.


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