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sasuke uchiha

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jake white expresses intrest in the wallabies job,,,
December 09, 2012, 21:44:47

White expresses interest in Wallabies job

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The World Cup winning coach, who showed he had lost none of his Midas touch when transforming the ACT based side this season, said that heading to Canberra was a deliberate act considering the reputation the two-time Super Rugby winning franchise had.

However in a statement that could suggest further pressure on current incumbent Wallabies coach Robbie Deans, White told The Australian he would love to be involved in the local Test setup.

“…You ask would I like to coach the Wallabies,” White said.

“Of course that is a dream job. They are one of the premier rugby teams in the world and I would love the opportunity to be a part of the Wallabies set-up."

While White was linked to the vacant England post, before ‘caretaker’ coach Stuart Lancaster was offered the role fulltime, he said that it was a careful decision to head to Canberra to restart his rugby coaching career.

"It was a very conscious choice I made to come and coach at the Brumbies," White said.

“They have always been regarded as an organisation who pushed the boundaries and were at the forefront of innovation in world rugby.

"After I finished with the Springboks, I knew I wanted to get back into coaching, but I needed to wait for the right job, a job which would be mutually beneficial. As a coach, you need to be growing and learning every day, particularly if you have a desire to coach at international level, which I most certainly do.

"That passion has not died in me. It is the ultimate test and I believe I have a great deal to offer as an international coach. Obviously my focus is here with the Brumbies. I am not someone who ever looks too far ahead. I know how quickly things can change.


sasuke uchiha

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RE: jake white expresses intrest in the wallabies job,,,
December 09, 2012, 22:03:29

deans has had a pretty mediocre run in 2012, but thats only cos of the injury list which was 2nd to none. they wil come right again once thier frontline players are all back & firing.

IMO jake white hasnt proved jack shit at the brumbies & that he is a really overrated coach. oh wait the be all end all of a RWC is why he gets so much inflated hype, but the fact is he regularly got spanked by the top teams in world rugby,,,,
 

his winning percentage ( and by winning percentage i mean actual percentage based on games won from games played & not ben10s ridiclous washing machine calculator spin cycled percentages) as a Boks coach

total - 66.7%
All Blacks - 33.3%
wallabies - 54.5%
england - 71.4%
france - 25%
ireland - 50%

each to their own, but IMO that record is complete shithouse, especially for the Boks who i still consider a powerhouse of world rugby.
the Boks struck gold at the RWC by not facing the All Blacks who white is uselss against & the wallabies who they are pretty much 50 50 with, boring ben10 likes to consistently cry over the referee fails on his team in the 2011 RWC, yet u dont hear a squeak out of him for the 2007 debacle. hypocricy at its best???? no, we all know medically ben10 is considered retarded, correction mentally challenged is the PC term.

but back to useless jake white and this so called brumbies revival, o_O,,,WTF???
brumbies played in the aussie conference which allows them the so much luxury games its not funny.
they get to play the waratahs, western force, rebels & injury ravaged reds team twice in one year, but the real jackpot is they manged to avoid playing the stormers & the cruseaders as well.
despite all this the best the brumbies could muster was they almost made the finals??? someone empty the jake white is a good coach spetic tank, cos its all full of shit, :oP
 


Saffex

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RE: jake white expresses intrest in the wallabies job,,,
December 09, 2012, 22:33:22

Thats what I keep telling people, Jake was an average coach who's record is average and leading into that WC was pretty pathetic, so much so that he came close to being sacked. He was saved by Eddie Jones and a great squad of players in the WC.

I'd be more than happy to see Jake coach the Wallabies, that way, we can be assured of an easier task of beating them. Bring it on I say, give Jake the job


Arthur John

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RE: jake white expresses intrest in the wallabies job,,,
December 09, 2012, 23:15:04

 Say what you like about the man....

He is the  guy who managed to bring home the WC under very trying circumstances.

Well thought of in rugby coaching circles and sensible enought to accept the position in OZ plus a possible place to eventually safely retire.

Good for you Jake and your family.


Sharkbok

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December 09, 2012, 23:21:18

 Jake White won 2 out of 4 Tri-nations, as well as a World Cup. In the worldcup year he forfitted the tri-naitons as preparation for the 2007 Worldcup. (he rested most of his core players for the away tour)

His record against France and Ireland was poor but generally he was very strong at home, but losing more away games than he should.

The year 2006 was a disaster, but most of the other time he produced some good performances. Compare him to some of our other coaches like Rodeolf Straueli and does not seem that bad. The backline attack was not very good but this seems the norm with most of our coaches at bok level.


Saffex

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December 09, 2012, 23:29:25

66% overall is not good enough and nor is 33% against the AB's thats an insult. Well thought of in rugby coaching circles is he? Do you have that on authority. I can assure you they dont rate him in the UK


sasuke uchiha

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RE: jake white expresses intrest in the wallabies job,,,
December 10, 2012, 00:45:04

@saffex,

hes not rated very highly in NZ either, but australia rate him as a brumbies coach, but those same people also think that in the spXV the australian conference is as compettitve as the NZ or SA one too, LMAO, :oP


sasuke uchiha

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December 10, 2012, 00:52:49

Sharkbok

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RE: jake white expresses intrest in the wallabies job,,,
December 09, 2012, 23:21:18

 Jake White won 2 out of 4 Tri-nations, as well as a World Cup. In the worldcup year he forfited the tri-naitons as preparation for the 2007 Worldcup.


sorry buddy thats dead wrong, he only ever won the TriNars once in 2004, where the Boks played 4 tests and only won 2.
all SANZAR teams won their home games that year, but the Boks managed to score a 4 try bonus point win which gave them a well deserved TriNats win.

for the other TriNats Boks cames 2nd in 2005 & last in 2006 & 2007.

@arthur john,

winning a RWC wihtout playing the wallabies or the All Blacks is not my definition of trying conditions, but each to their own.
 


Saffex

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December 10, 2012, 00:57:45

Joke is the Brumbies never even won their conference, so what is there to rate in the man. I heard cries of a new Brumbies squad with inexperienced players - well the same applied to the majority of the squads......hell the Stormers topped the table with a bunch of kids.


Sharkbok

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December 10, 2012, 01:17:25

@sasuke uchiha- you are correct, it was only one tri-nations that was won by Jake White. 

 John Plumtree should be the Springbok coach. At least he can get the backline attack going.

Reality is the New Zealand have better coaches for backline play especially, but also good in countering ruck play. 


Saffex

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December 10, 2012, 01:30:31

I thought Meyer was going to be the answer, but he has failed us. I'd give him until the end of the Championship to turn things around, failing which I'd sack him. The man to replace him would be Mallet in my opinion. Plumtree is an option if Nick is not available 


Sharkbok

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December 10, 2012, 03:30:15

 Mallett has the best record post isolation for the boks. Just by the end of the Mallett era everything fell apart. Having Louis Koen at 10 and Braam Van Straaten at 12 was possibally the worst inside back combination ever put onto a field in the history of the boks. I remember one game when both Braam van straaten and Louis Koen running into the same spot as if confused who was playing flyhalf. Mallett was very strong in player selection for most of his time in charge until the 2009 worldcup when he dropped Gary tiechman and Andre Joubert. I think Mallett is a good choice, although I think John Plumtree could get the boks to play to their potential. 


hakwa

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RE: jake white expresses intrest in the wallabies job,,,
December 10, 2012, 05:27:37

Sasu, the ABs lost the Tri-Nations in 2004 because it was the year Sir Henry took over as coach and he was experimenting with afew things - that year also saw the phasing out of Carlos Spencer! Carlos never could handle the flat backline ethos with backs being used as primary batting rams! Sam Tuitupou's small frame (although he feared noone) also could not take the toll that game plan exacted out of him.


Beeno1

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December 10, 2012, 09:00:57

saSUE any more drivel like ts and you will be down graded from oak to mong!

Over his tenure a Bok coach Jake built the Boks up and left them a much improved side.  The tradgedy for SA Rugb ywas tha tjake was given the chop and in came these nutter pdv!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Never ever in the annals of world rugby has such a daft move been made. What may Jake's stats have looked like had he continued .

All th siis lost on oaks and mongs  wh onever see the bigger picture.

Hahhahahahaha one can only laugh at these daft assessments of Jake. saSue and snapster the Brumbies would never have gone for Jake if he was not a good coach.


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RE: jake white expresses intrest in the wallabies job,,,
December 10, 2012, 09:26:37

coaches since the 1949 All Blacks tour to South Africa:

Name Tenure Win %[157]
Danie Craven 1949–1956[158] 74%
Basil Kenyon 1958[159] 0%
Hennie Muller 1960–1961, 1963, 1965[160] 44%
Boy Louw 1960–1961, 1965[161] 67%
Izak van Heerden 1962[162] 75%
Felix du Plessis 1964[163] 100%
Ian Kirkpatrick 1967, 1974[164] 60%
Avril Malan 1969–1970[165] 50%
Johan Claassen 1964, 1970–1974[166] 50%
Nelie Smith 1980–1981[167] 80%
Cecil Moss 1982–1989[168] 83%
John Williams 1992[169] 20%
Ian McIntosh 1993–1994[170] 33%
Kitch Christie 1994–1996[171] 100%
Andre Markgraaff 1996[172] 61%
Carel du Plessis 1997[173] 37%
Nick Mallett 1997–2000[174] 71%
Harry Viljoen 2000–2002[175] 53%
Rudolph Straeuli 2002–2003[176] 52%
Jake White 2004–2007[177] 67%
Peter de Villiers 2008–2011[178 62%
Heyneke Meyer 2012– 58.33% (as at 24 November 2012)


All Black NZ

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RE: jake white expresses intrest in the wallabies job,,,
December 10, 2012, 09:36:36

This is what the coaching record of a great team over history looks like.

 

New Zealand International Coaches 1949-
             
    Tests Won Drew Lost Win %
             
Alex McDonald 1949 4 0 0 4 0.00
Tom Morrison 1950,52,55-56 12 8 1 3 66.67
Len Clode 1951 3 3 0 0 100.00
Arthur Marslin 1953-54 5 3 0 2 60.00
Dick Everest 1957 2 2 0 0 100.00
Jack Sullivan 1958-60 11 6 1 4 54.55
Neil McPhail 1961-65 20 16 2 2 80.00
Ron Bush 1962 2 2 0 0 100.00
Fred Allen 1966-68 14 14 0 0 100.00
Ivan Vodanovich 1969-71 10 4 1 5 40.00
Bob Duff 1972-73 8 6 1 1 75.00
John Stewart 1974-76 11 6 1 4 54.55
Jack Gleeson 1977-78 13 10 0 3 76.92
Eric Watson 1979-80 9 5 0 4 55.56
Peter Burke 1981-82 11 9 0 2 81.82
Bryce Rope 1983-84 12 9 1 2 75.00
Brian Lochore 1985-87 18 14 1 3 77.78
Alex Wyllie 1988-91* 29 25 1 3 86.21
John Hart 1991*,1996-99 47 36 1 10 76.60
Laurie Mains 1992-95 34 23 1 10 67.65
Wayne Smith 2000-01 17 12 0 5 70.59
John Mitchell 2001-03 28 23 1 4 82.14
Graham Henry 2004-11 103 88 0 15 85.44
Steve Hansen 2012- 13 11 1 1 84.62
             
*Alex Wyllie and John Hart co-coaches in 1991        


clevermike

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RE: jake white expresses intrest in the wallabies job,,,
December 10, 2012, 09:49:48

Saffex

I am not going to mention Meyer at all - since that can wait till the 2013 tests.   I only want to commenton one of the issues you mentioned and that is Mallett.   In my opinion he inherited a very good team from his predecessors - but within 2 years managed to destroy the team through his own actions and shortsightedness.   He is a great talker - but a deficient implementer.   I think he would get no better than he was at the end of his coaching career and if he is appointed again as coach - the Springboks will be in serious trouble.  

If Meyer is not to be coach in future - I definitely think that Plumtree would be an option.


clevermike

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December 10, 2012, 09:51:23

Saffex

I am not going to mention Meyer at all - since that can wait till the 2013 tests.   I only want to commenton one of the issues you mentioned and that is Mallett.   In my opinion he inherited a very good team from his predecessors - but within 2 years managed to destroy the team through his own actions and shortsightedness.   He is a great talker - but a deficient implementer.   I think he would get no better than he was at the end of his coaching career and if he is appointed again as coach - the Springboks will be in serious trouble.  

If Meyer is not to be coach in future - I definitely think that Plumtree would be an option.


bluebok

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RE: jake white expresses intrest in the wallabies job,,,
December 10, 2012, 12:49:20

I think the lot of you are smoking something gooooood! Plumtree??? What has he achieved? A couple of Currie cup titles. With the players the Sharks have at their disposal they should have won at least two more Currie Cup titles under his guidence, and they should have a Super Rugby title or two under their belts as well, but no, not even a Super Rugby conference trophy! No, if anything, plumtree has under-achieved! I am sorry, he would do nothing but stuff up the Sprinboks!  


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RE: jake white expresses intrest in the wallabies job,,,
December 10, 2012, 12:57:00

Well said, Bluebok.....Plumtree has achieved nothing of note, as for Mallett, well he scuttled the Bok Captain Gary Teichmann for some dubious reasons and I don't remember him winning a 3N either. Bring back Jake and Eddie.


Beeno1

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December 10, 2012, 13:00:46

Mallet would make a fine Bok coach - he has the experience and acumen to do so. His TV utterances show that this man is a excellent rugby brain.

Dont think Plumtree has Mallets rugby brain. Not remotely so Mike. You only have to listen to them talking rugby to realise who is the major brain and who the minor (Think Beeno cf jallopy/snapster! Hahahahahahahah).

Oh that Mallet was coaching the Mighty Stormers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Beeno1

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December 10, 2012, 13:04:50

No problem with the Jake Eddie Jones combo Denny  - very good.

However Meyer earned a shot and he should continue. Did well in his first season which was extremely difficult.


Denny

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RE: jake white expresses intrest in the wallabies job,,,
December 10, 2012, 13:18:10

Although I won't go as far as Shotgun Stuff'dexgs in writing off Meyer, I must agree that Meyer has blundered badly. His support team is nothing short of juvenile and his instinctive grab at Bulle at the start of the year was pathetic, so beens you keep singing his praises while I sit on the fence and observe his 2nd year in charge. At least he was honest enough to recognize his own failures and for that I respect him.


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RE: jake white expresses intrest in the wallabies job,,,
December 10, 2012, 13:31:12
first of if meyer does not evolve the current bok game plan to the next level by the rugby champs next year then he should get the boot. in terms of the so called rugby brain old plums is right up there with the best of them beeno. white as a coach as always been a backroom staff structure obsessed type of coach that rather like having specialists in key areas. jake took over then SA rugby was in a bad state and managed to build a team from that with very meyer like boring rugby. that being said jake did not have the level nor depth of players like we have now. eddie jones turned the whole teams focus towards attack and skills and with the help of nienaber and sheryl gelder with the vision training build a team that is skillfull of which the likes we have not seen again since then.

there is no SA coach that is on international standard with the trend of game play and technically our coaches are inferior to the international standards. blatant ignorance and in ablity to think outside of the box is infested in our local coaches apart from maybe naka and a few others. that being said i do feel the time is right for plums a oversees coach to get our rugby on track and a build a attacking dynamic up tempo style game plan that fuses our bigger defence minded players to the much needed golden game plan that we need to be no 1

in terms of mallet he rode on a team that was build by carel du plessis and since then has done nothing of note. he got sacked by pasta boys for being to conservative and not winning enough.....nobody wants that rubbish in the SA team.

if meyer does not produce something of note next year then i am affraid he will be good night nurse for him. if there is no other way of creating a dynamic game plan then firing meyer then i say so be it then


Beeno1

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December 10, 2012, 13:56:26

muncher you have been unreasonably negative about Meyer.Glad to see you are giving him another year.

Our trouble is we have some fine coaches but where are they. Jake is in OZ, Mallet in semi retirement, Brendon Venter  -what's he up to, gert  Smal in Ireland. Rassie is doing some back room type job. Naka is a good coach  but as he never has the squad is too difficult for the boneheads to think he has talent. All they can see is the score and no context.

Any of these guy is as good as plump. Imagine what Naka could do with the sharks squad!!! SEe the CONTEXT PLEASE.

 


bluebok

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RE: jake white expresses intrest in the wallabies job,,,
December 10, 2012, 15:59:16

Beans you are on the money. Well sort of. You say any of those guys are as good as Plum, I reckon they are probably all better than him. This whole thing reminds me of Strauli, he got the Sharks to the Super 12 final (But couldn't win it), just like Plum, and then everyone thought he was the best things since sliced bread and the man for the Springbok job...how did that end again??? Meyer has a winner mentality, he knows how to win the big tournaments. Plumtree, it seems to me, lacks that, and that is the difference between the good and the great.


Beeno1

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December 10, 2012, 16:10:57

Bluebok is laughable to me is that Meyer lost 10 guys to going overseas or retirement and 10 to injury but that is supposed to make no difference. No account is taken of the great display at Dunedin (save for goal kicking) or the tries scrored at Loftus against the Oz side etc.  No credit is given for winning three games overseas when Boks were badly depleted and very tired - far more so than NZ and OZ.

No its Meyer knows nothing about rugby. etc etc. I can wait to see these turnmcoats sing from a different hymn sheet. Of course it will then all be because  Meyer is doing what they suggested. Hahahahhaahahah all soooo predictable.

Sorry but I have high hopes for theBoks next year. I expect an improved perfromance and a beating of the abs at least once. Sport is uncertain but if they win the 4 nations it will not surprise me at all.

Hope the Kiwis stay on board to enjoy it all!


bluebok

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RE: jake white expresses intrest in the wallabies job,,,
December 10, 2012, 16:32:02

Look, I am not saying that Meyer is the best coach ever, but as you rightly say, he has achieved a lot under difficult circumstances. Yes he has made some questionable player choices, but what coach in history hasn't? Towards the later half of the season his team selections were nearly spot on, when taking into account his injury woes. The bottom line is this, we ended the year ahead of Australia and second only to a strong New Zealand in the world rankings. We didn't lose a game in the EOY tour, which we haven't done in ages, amongst many other achievement that you have already noted. Next year will be the real test, because he will have had time to settle into his position by then....but that being said, I think he'll do just fine.


Beeno1

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December 10, 2012, 16:44:36

Agreed next year has to show improvement but I still think the Bokke machine will begin to really purr in around 2014.

meanwhile back and down in nz they will be hauling mcaaaaw out of retirement to save them Hahahahhahaha


Sharkbok

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RE: jake white expresses intrest in the wallabies job,,,
December 10, 2012, 18:17:00

 Of all of the teams in the SuperXV the sharks are playing the most expansive gameplan. The cheetas also play expansive rugby and this proves that SA teams can play a more attacking minded game plan. The Cheetas however have a poor defence system and their open style of attack may be related to this poor defence. The Stormers have the best defence with a backline attack worse than the boks at present. And the bulls usually only go wide once the forwards totally smash the opposition to pieces and it becomes possibale to drive a bus through the open space. 

The Sharks get the wings into the game, and are also strong at offloading the ball in the tackle situation. Next to counter attacks, offloads are the 2nd most likely way for backs to score tries. From 1st phase possesion most tries are scored from offloads. 

This is why I think Plumtree would be the best choice to coach the boks. Also he would have free reign to choose what ever team he wants without being accused of racial or probably regional bias as well. 


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