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Beeno1

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3 test Offical thread
November 30, 2012, 11:58:08

Congrats again to FAf who made 78 not out as the proteas struggles to 225 all out after bad collapse.

Oz are 31 for 2.


Beeno1

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December 03, 2012, 09:37:02

Are we heading for a record win!  Oz are 204 for 7. Pertersen has 3 and Steyn 2. All major batsment are out.

Brycy you see how its done mate?

Hahahahahaha ou Brycty is still getting over what happened at Twicks as is saSUE!


Beeno1

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RE: 3 test Offical thread
December 03, 2012, 11:23:39

Proteas win by 309 runs! What a gigantic win. Number 1 in the world.

Brycy a comment please!

So what happens when Duminy is fit?  Certainly Petersen has elevated his test chances by again taking wickets -3. Faf cant be dropped surely. So its Duminy in for Elgar.:

Alviro, Smith, Amla, Kallis, AB, Faf, Duminy, Pietersen. Philander, Steyn and Morkel. Seems to me Proteas are set to rule the cricket world a while longer. That is a powerful batting and bowling lineup.

 

 


Denny

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RE: 3 test Offical thread
December 03, 2012, 14:42:08

Awesome Beeno, awesome...it's the only word that springs to mind....no other team has doen the same to the Ozzies on their home soil.

Now, Tahir has got to go, a younger bat has to be found and groomed to replace Kallis and let's face it, there is no pressure with Duminy and Faf still available. If Elgar is the one then he should be given a fair chance.


Ek

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RE: 3 test Offical thread
December 04, 2012, 10:58:34

Alviro, Smith, Amla, Kallis, AB, Faf, Duminy, Pietersen. Philander, Steyn and Morkel....

I will change Faf and Duminy around, Faf is better at batting with the tail.

I see Faf developing into something like Hussey for Aus. This side has so much potential.

Problem is what to make with Kallis' Backup..... ? Maybe de Kock ????


flashdakota

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RE: 3 test Offical thread
December 04, 2012, 12:09:21

@Ek

Agree with de Kock

Maybe have him bat at 7

Smith Petersen Amla de Villiers Duminy Faf de Kock Philander Steyn Morkel and a spinner

  • R Petersen
  • S Harmer
  • I Tahir
  • and the little indian oke from the Dolphins... think its Subrayen?


Ek

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RE: 3 test Offical thread
December 04, 2012, 13:09:50

I won't have Harmer as a spinning option, I rate Pangiso higher...however at 28 he seems maybe a tad old. Then I'd rather have Subrayen.(Yes it's him the 19 year old)

Tahir and Peterson both bring something else. Robbie with his left armers and Tahir with his leggies, however you already have sufficient Spinning options there in your linup as I beelieve both Duminy and Faf could improve drastically if given more bowling time in the Tests especially Duminy, I actually rate him very high as a spinning option.

So maybe you could have 2 options available to rotate depending on the kind of pitch you play on:

A frontline spinner: I would rate Robbie as nr 1, then Tahir and maybe I'll have  Subrayen(one for the Future) Also don't forget about Botha.

A seaming all rounder: Here we have less real options, but: McClaren/Albie Morkel should be my first choices, with maybe Morris, Kleinveldt, I don't really know who else.

But the variety is needed for conditions.

I do think that your suggested team Flash could go really far.

Maybe Kallis should only play every second test so we can start blooding in his replacements as well as manage his workload a bit better.


Beeno1

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RE: 3 test Offical thread
December 04, 2012, 14:32:21

Duminy and Faf need to take their bowling very seriously as it could be what keeps them in the team. Duminy definitely looks like he could be a front line off spnner.

It was a remarable test 76 for 6 was it on day one!!!

Oz had no fight in them. Were not prepared to even try and grind out adraw. You can see this by the way they went out trying for big shots. They had some fast bowling injuries but with these guys back and Johnston back they will be a force.


Ek

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RE: 3 test Offical thread
December 05, 2012, 07:27:56

Beeno, I don't necceserily think it could be what keeps them in the team, Their batting is sufficient enough to keep them there, However They should be given more opportunity to improve their bowling as it brings alot of balance to the side. Having good middle order all rounders that can give you both off spin and leg spin is a bonus.

Regarding Aus not having any fight, Aus are so used to dominating teams with their aggressive batting that they probably believe they are playing positive cricket by bieng aggressive. They don't seem to have the ability to knuckle down and change to a lower gear.


Ek

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RE: 3 test Offical thread
December 05, 2012, 08:13:56

My appologies for the Double Post, but I really love reading Mark Nicholas and this is so compalling it really desreves to be here.

A short, sharp, compelling narrative

You could have argued for a longer series, but this one was close to perfect

Mark Nicholas

December 4, 2012Dale Steyn got Michael Clarke with a cracker of a delivery, Australia v South Africa, 3rd Test, 2nd day, Perth, December 1, 2012

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Australia lost the Perth Test in Adelaide, where hearts were broken with no time to mend. South Africa knew this. Rarely can a team have approached a clutch match with such confidence. Imagine you are running a marathon. You give it your best shot but each time you look over your shoulder, the enemy is still there. Then, on the home run, the enemy cruises past you. Though Michael Clarke was chosen as Man of the Series for the brilliant back-to-back double-hundreds he scored in the first two Tests, Faf du Plessis was the man over his shoulder, the man who made it possible for South Africa. The prize should have been his.

A strong enough argument is made for longer series between the better-quality and best-matched teams but a short and sharp three-Test bout with two of the games played inside a fortnight provides a compelling narrative. Much was made of the damage done to Peter Siddle on Black Monday at the Adelaide Oval but it was physical and therefore had identity. The real suffering was in the mind, and most particularly the mind of the captain, who surely knew that his own team's strongest race had been run. He also knew that key members of the opposition had air left in their lungs.

First among these was Dale Steyn, a bowler of such excellence that when the force is with him events will invariably turn the way of his team. As at the Kennington Oval in London last July, Steyn chose the second morning of a crucial Test to cast his spell. Sprinting to the wicket with unparalleled zeal, releasing the ball from a perfect wrist position and following through with the skip and commitment of a Springbok outwitting its hunter, the world's finest fast bowler accounted for David Warner before the first ad break; Nathan Lyon, the nightwatchman, before the cappuccinos; and Michael Clarke before drinks.

Few bowlers can do this - change the rhythm of a match so quickly and conclusively. One who could was looking on and purring approval. The best of Steyn is not far from Dennis Lillee, who was perhaps the best of them all.

But it is not easy work, far from it. The speedgun must show 140-plus and then the late, wicked outswing becomes irresistible. In fact, so much does Steyn take from himself that these moments are becoming harder to repeat. He is working on finding that late swing at a less demanding pace but it is elusive, a gift given to few. Malcolm Marshall had the same gifts but he too was confounded by the march of time, so developed an inswinger as the option, cutting his pace and hooping the thing in and out to the amazement of friends and consternation of foes.

Alongside Steyn are the admirable Vernon Philander and the increasingly awesome Morne Morkel. This is a three-ball to die for - different, awkward and all close to their prime. Add Jacques Kallis and you can see why Allan Donald suggested it was South Africa's finest-ever seam attack. Graeme Smith gobbles everything at slip that does not go to Kallis. Kallis gobbles everything else. AB de Villiers points his fingers at the ball but still gathers it well enough for the purposes of this fast attack. Mind you, his stumping of Clarke was a pearler. Natural games players have an instinct for such moments.

The best teams know when to close in for the kill. Smith and Hashim Amla did just that on the second afternoon, rattling along at seven an over after tea. Amla would have made a hundred in that session had Kallis not replaced Smith and dominated the strike.

       
 
Imagine you are running a marathon. You give it your best shot but each time you look over your shoulder, the enemy is still there. Then, on the home run, the enemy cruises past you
 
     
 

 

Amla must now be discussed alongside all the great batsmen of Asian origin of the age. He is secure and comfortable in his skin, and his cricket is the product of a long school of learning. Put simply, he did not have it easy and this stands him apart. Were he denied bat and ball tomorrow, you sense he would happily find something else at which to excel. As John Arlott noted: "He who knows only cricket, knows not cricket at all."

Amla's innings humiliated Australia, so simple was its conception, so daring was its execution. But he knew he had an immature attack at his mercy and he sure hurt them for it. De Villiers fed from this, stuttering to 50 but then sprinting the rest of the way. Maybe AB can bat up the order after all, and to somewhere near the limit of his talent, while keeping wickets too. The selectors should not expect consistency, however, for these are creasing responsibilities.

South Africa has a very, very good team. The lack of a notable tweaker suggests it may not be a great one. I know West Indies pulled it off in the 1980s. It is just a hunch. These South Africans can be beaten, should have been in Adelaide if we are honest. West Indies, for a decade, could not. Neither are they quite as convincing as the team Ricky Ponting first led. Perhaps that is just the Warne factor.

Ponting said an excruciating goodbye to the international arena, which was sad. This most gladiatorial of cricketers was rendered helpless by a wretched loss of form. Temporary it may well have been but forgiving it is not. His permanent class deserved a better final curtain - a proper, glowing encore and bow. The hard-edged Tasmanian is one of the outstanding cricketers of any age. Supreme fitness, an ongoing sparkle in the field and an indomitable will carried him as far as it was possible to go. For whatever reason, the eyes, the hands, the bat had lost their magic. Surprisingly, he will play on in state cricket. Goodness, he must love the game.

And what more could we ask of the cricketers we watch, talk about, write about and so admire, than for them to love the game? It is a precious thing and a large part of our lives. The series finished with Smith interviewed by Mark Taylor on the presentation stage. Ten years in the job - an incredible 97 times he has led South Africa in Test matches - and he was word-perfect. Immensely generous in his reflections on Ponting, fair-minded in his appraisal of the series, sensible on the peripherals. And then he smiled a big man's smile at a job well done and a Test match mace set firmly in his arms that said, "We, ladies and gentlemen, are the champions of the world."


Beeno1

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RE: 3 test Offical thread
December 05, 2012, 12:37:58

"Regarding Aus not having any fight, Aus are so used to dominating teams with their aggressive batting that they probably believe they are playing positive cricket by bieng aggressive. They don't seem to have the ability to knuckle down and change to a lower gear."

Have  to agree with that Ek  and also say it reminds me a bit of the West Indies over the years. Living very much in the past and imagining they are still out of this world. What Oz needed is an Atherton/Faf Du Plessis type of innings - or two! But no attempt at gutsing it out was made. That has to be a mindset.


Beeno1

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RE: 3 test Offical thread
December 05, 2012, 12:44:54

Great article Ek. All that we currently lack is a great spinner ala Warne etc.


flashdakota

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RE: 3 test Offical thread
January 16, 2013, 22:10:59

I'm still gloating about this!

Hell it feels great to have won in Oz 2 series in a row.

How many other countries have done that?


Ek

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RE: 3 test Offical thread
January 17, 2013, 08:51:28

OK we can gloat some more.....just a little bit...

Reality will set in soon enough when the Paki's arrive.


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