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Sharkbok

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JP to Fullback?
November 25, 2012, 15:44:09

 His touch finding kicks were amazing and he can cut the backline having experience as an outside center. 

This would allow the boks to get another attacking player on the field. 


Saffex

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RE: JP to Fullback?
November 25, 2012, 18:35:39

If we move JP it has to be to 13. I see this might still happen as Meyer has said he would have done this if Habana had not been injured this tour


mozart

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RE: JP to Fullback?
November 25, 2012, 22:13:31

 What's the point in shuffling deck chairs. JP is a superb wing...and his games at centre and at 15 were largely unsuccesful. There is a technique to all these positions, hard to learn late in your career. If Taute is international calibre, and I'm not convinced yet, it has to be at 15. And at 13 we have de Jongh and Jordaan.


Saffex

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RE: JP to Fullback?
November 25, 2012, 22:18:54

I think you will find JP was a hit at 13, de Jongh has proved on this tour he is not up to 13 at test level.

The options at 15 are Lambie and Taute

The options at 13 are Taute, JP, JJ and Jordaan. Add Pat Howard to that equation


Sharkbok

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RE: JP to Fullback?
November 25, 2012, 23:34:14

 JP started out as a fullback but was moved to wing because his kicking was not good. His kickinghas improved massively. Having JP at fullback would make space for Rhule so their wouldbe another attacking player on the pitch. Not sure about JPs defence for outside center, but he would be good on attack at 13/. 


Saffex

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RE: JP to Fullback?
November 25, 2012, 23:58:52

JP was discovered playing lock for some or other club out in the sticks. Christie Noble springs to mind, who took him to the Sharks, but I might be wrong


sasuke uchiha

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RE: JP to Fullback?
November 26, 2012, 00:28:56

completely agree with saffex in regards to jp at 13. i wasnt aware of meyers comments, but i had stated many times here that IMO if habana wasnt injured, he would move jp to 13. does anyone else think that meyer may have read my blogs and said "damn, even the kiwi bloggers are amazing, im going to have to put a statment out and take credit for that brilliant comment"
meyer u are officially on notice and i will now start to trademark my comments, LMAO, :oP

but seriously. jp is the future 13 for the Boks, possibly even future 12 if francois steyns form continues to deteriorate (unlikely though).
i thought jp was brilliant at 13, a big strong attacking option who can defend very well. i remember the sharks vs blues game where he completley shut down nonu and benson stanley a current and former All Black centers.
the Boks dont have any quality 13 at the moment, de jong has failed to make the most of the opportunities afforded him and taute is still too green. in regards to taute i cant help wondering if it might not have swapped him and jp pieterson around, an option that should have at least been looked at against scotland IMO.
 


Shezza

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RE: JP to Fullback?
November 26, 2012, 00:37:10

 Keep JP at wing and have Jordaan at 13. A combo of Jordaan and Serfontain or De Allende at centre would be wonderful midfield pairing and I hope Meyer has this in mind. 


JeromeV

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RE: JP to Fullback?
November 26, 2012, 00:55:51

The best option is to have JP at 13 permanently, JP has proved he is capabile playing at outside centre before.


clevermike

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RE: JP to Fullback?
November 26, 2012, 01:16:39

I really am amazed by all the talk about Pietersen at 13 or at full back.   If not the best wing in the world he is close to it.   Plumtree moved him to 13 and he was not anywhere near the player he was at wing.   Surprise  - surprise - Plumtree moved him back to wing (since the experiment obviously did not work out as expected) and put Jordaan in as 13.   That combination proved to be one of the strongest elements in the revival of the Sharks - after they started of badly in Super 15 this year.

Due to injury  problems and the fact that Steyn could not play in the final - he moved Jordaan to 12 and Pietersen to 13 in the Super Series final.    Jordaan had a very good game at 12 opposite Williams - Pietersen not so.

I don't think the situation is going to change in Super 15 next year.   Pietersen will continue at wing and Jordaan at 13.   Plumtree is not about to change that situation that has resulted in major advantages in backline attacking play.  

Steyn will have to buck up considerably if he wants to make sure of his selection at 12 - Whitehead would be there if he does not and in the process neutralizes effective backline performances by the Sharks..


Saffex

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RE: JP to Fullback?
November 26, 2012, 01:45:13

Mike do you know that Meyer was going to play JP at 13 on this tour. He changed his mind when Habana got injured, so watch this space come next year. We might just see JP at 13 and Frans at 12.......I could def live with that


clevermike

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RE: JP to Fullback?
November 26, 2012, 02:09:50

Saffex

Frankly that would be another failed experiment and Meyer has done some stupid things - that would be another,   Pietersen will be as ineffective as he was under Plumtree when he played ar 13.  

In any event - I believe that players should not be played out of position as it detrimentally affect their performances and it was the case with Pietersen at 13.   Just work out one thing - how many tries did Pietersen score for the Sharks playing at 13 and how many did he score when he was on the wing?    Pietersen really needs a spark to let him really unwind and that spark in the case was Jordaan.

As to Steyn - he definitely will have to show whether he is better than he was in tests this year.   He will be playing between Lambie and Jordaan next year - and if the backline goes flat - it will show where the real problem lies.   Steyn was not really a top distributor of the ball  in tests this year - but he was playing ourside of Morne and that could be the reason why his performances can be described as flat and uninspiring.   Could change with Lambie.   Another thing that Steyn would have to learn is effective off-loading of the ball  in tackle situations.  Has shown zero of that this year.

Meyer may make that mistake and play the two together as you said - but it will end soon enough - since it won't work - of that you can be pretty sure.  

 


mozart

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RE: JP to Fullback?
November 26, 2012, 02:41:58

Sure lets try the same thing again and hope we get a different result. Unbelievable....zero learning ability. 


carpetmuncher

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RE: JP to Fullback?
November 27, 2012, 13:39:23

it only will make sense if JP is given proper time and training in regards to the full back roles and running lines that being said would he give the freedom to run with the ball from the back ?? will he be used in attacking play ???

 

the other question is would it make sense to take one of the best wingers in world rugby and move him to 15. does he have to talent yes but in the long run i might be a career extending one but i for one wont make that move to be fair. the van graans of the world has no bloddy idea how a backline works in attack so i dont want to see jp career rear ended by incompatent coaching.

 

 


Sharkbok

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RE: JP to Fullback?
November 27, 2012, 14:55:18

 Playing wing and fullback is not that much different. Either Habana or JP could easily play in the position.

What would excellant to see is JP and Habana combining on the counter attack- and this is only going to happen if one of them plays fullback. 

Much like James Small and Andre Joubert used to combine on the counter attack- and score many tries. Or christian Cullen and Jeff Wilson.

I think if JP and Habana combined on the counter, running off each other they could pull apart anyteam. I have seen both run through a whole team by themselves, but a combination would be lethal. 

JP started as a fullback playing for the Bluff Harlequins and played for the Sharks. He has allready excelled at bok level as a Fullback a few times.

I am not sure if JP could learn to be a center- purely on defence. However the change from wing to fullback is minimal especially for a wing that is good on the up and under and has a good clearance kick


Ek

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RE: JP to Fullback?
November 27, 2012, 15:07:28

JP is no stranger to fullback, it's where he made his professional and bok debut.

I agree Sharkbok it would be a far easier fit for him to move to 15 than to 13. But that does not mean i think he would be the best Fullback, that still needs to be proven.


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