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clevermike

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Will Hore get a three months suspension
November 24, 2012, 21:29:59

For attacking and injuring a player so far away from thee ball that neither the referee nor the touch judges saw it?    The injured player had no chance - the attack came from his back and he could not see the offender coming for him.   The Siting Commissioner would not have a hard one to prove this offence.


Ceradyne

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RE: Will Hore get a three months suspension
November 24, 2012, 22:47:06

I wonder if the AB supporters will judge him in the same way that they judged Bakkies.........


hakwa

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RE: Will Hore get a three months suspension
November 24, 2012, 23:18:43

 Mike and Ceradyne, have some perspective boys - consider Hore's long career in Super Rugby, ITM, and International Rugby, has he ever been red carded or been cited in the past? Is he a dirty player? 


Ceradyne

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RE: Will Hore get a three months suspension
November 24, 2012, 23:27:13

No excuse Hakwa. It was unprovoked, underhanded, cowardly (from behind) and downright thuggish. No matter what Hore's "record" reflects.


hakwa

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RE: Will Hore get a three months suspension
November 25, 2012, 13:10:26

 Davies deliberately ran an offside shepherding line to prevent Hore from joining the maul in a timely fashion and Hore knocked him out for his trouble! That Hore will get cited and banned for a period of time is only fair! At least he didn't fly like superman across a stationary ruck when the play was stationary like Greyling or knee someone in the head when the play had stopped and then headbutt them in the process like Higginbottom!


Ceradyne

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RE: Will Hore get a three months suspension
November 25, 2012, 14:08:43

Big sins....... small sins........ He is a flippin thug and a coward. You were trying to paint him as a saint and a hero.


polyboy

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RE: Will Hore get a three months suspension
November 25, 2012, 17:41:58

Hore (apt name) needs a lengthy ban, that kinda crap is not needed in a game from any team. Don't like it when Bakkies does it, same with Hore.


moolaa

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RE: Will Hore get a three months suspension
November 25, 2012, 21:43:37

Hore will get what's coming to him. NZ's seal population will applaud a lengthy ban!

If the judiciary is consistent with what they gave Greyling then he'll only get a week but of course they aren't, so I'm expecting it to be a lot longer.


clevermike

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RE: Will Hore get a three months suspension
November 26, 2012, 01:00:50

Modaa

Whar has that stupid Greuling got to do with this.   Nobody can justify an assault on a player and I would have given Greyling a longer ban for what he did to McCaw.

At least McCaw saw what was coming and even though he was in the wrong position obstructing the play he could take some evasive action - and he was not injured in the process.

Hore attacked a player nowhere near enough to the ball for even the refs to see what happened.   He did it from the back and seriously injured the player concerned because the player did not see what was coming and took evasive action.   Hore should have been red-carded and he was lucky to escape that.   He is going to feel it - I think he will be banned for something in the vicinity of 3 months and the seals can the applaud - they will have a dunce on vacation with them.        


Bok -Bef$K

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RE: Will Hore get a three months suspension
November 26, 2012, 06:12:29

Kiwi's scared of the physicality so they have to take cheap shots when other players don't see it coming.


hakwa

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RE: Will Hore get a three months suspension
November 26, 2012, 10:11:17

Ceradyne, Hore is no Saint. 

Bok-Bef$k, are you talking about Greyling on McCaw or Victor Matfield repeatedly trying to take Carter's head off?


Ceradyne

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RE: Will Hore get a three months suspension
November 26, 2012, 13:13:01

hakwa

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RE: Will Hore get a three months suspension
November 26, 2012, 10:11:17


Ceradyne, Hore is no Saint. 

 

 

But somebody else suggested that he could well be. What did he say again?:

"have some perspective boys - consider Hore's long career in Super Rugby, ITM, and International Rugby, has he ever been red carded or been cited in the past? Is he a dirty player? "

 

Oh wait. It was you. LOL

 


Ka Mate

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RE: Will Hore get a three months suspension
November 26, 2012, 21:13:52

Please stop making comparisons between Bakkies Botha and Andrew Hore. Hore plays it hard but fair while Bakkies was a cheap-shot artist who only mixed it up when the other guy was much smaller than him. Bradley Davies had it coming and he's also twice Hore's size.


BonganiP

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RE: Will Hore get a three months suspension
November 26, 2012, 21:20:30

Anybody who liberty some one from behind like that, irrespective of the circumstances or the size of the other guy, is a coward and a thug. Live with it.


moolaa

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RE: Will Hore get a three months suspension
November 26, 2012, 21:29:57

Mike. I wasn't trying to justify the assault at all! I was commenting on what I think will be another inconsistency by the judiciary. Hore will get plenty because he's an AB and they don't get many chances to have a go at them, unlike the BOKs.

Somehow you are now trying to justify Greyling's attack on St Richie because Richie could see it coming???? You really are a strange bloke! Richie could not take evasive action and just because he didn't have a glass jaw that's ok by you! The intent from Greyling was to knock him into the middle of next week and far more dangerous than what Hore did.

And take another look at where McCaw was lying mate...on his side of the ruck! Once again Mike, you've proved yourself one-eyed and clueless.


Sharkbok

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RE: Will Hore get a three months suspension
November 26, 2012, 21:49:29

 I think he is going to see at least 3 months, maybe more. 

The fact that the player was carried of the pitch being knocked out and had to go to hosptical was very extreme. These are rugby players and a lock forward no less, if he had to go to hospital for something like concussion it must have very extreme.

When I watched the incident for the 2nd time, it ranks with the most violent I have ever seen. 

Of all of Bakkies incidents I dont think anyone actually got injured by him. He was more just playing the tough guy. Their is acting physical and actually being a barbarian and that is what Hore has made himself to be. Punching someone from behind when running full speed into them is insane. Their is a difference between acting physical and just being totally reckless to put someone in hosptical, because a punch like that was lethal. Allot of the Bakkies play acting was just hand bag stuff because he did not put his opposition in hosptical by punching them. The head but on Jimmy Cowan did not seem to even be that hard.

I think Mike has made a valid point- it is like if you are going to fight someone to at least approach them from the front where they can at least see you and have a chance to defend themselves. Punching someone from behind is like a street gangster thug, not that any violence is condonable- but taking a cheap liberty from behind is cowardly thugish behaviour. 

I cant understand how anyone from New Zealand cant agree that this is one of the worst offences is years at international level. The point is that he has greviously commited bodily harm and is lucky that he does not have to go to the police to be arrested. About 18 months ago in one of the UK rugby tournaments a player got arrested by the police for eye gouging and it was so serious a player lost an eye.

Even Dean Greyling, as stupid as he is I doubt he was trying to commit serious harm to Mccaw. These people can do this if they really try and I still maintain that allot of rugby pushing and physical threats is mostly just handbag stuff because the opposition player rarely gets hurt.


clevermike

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RE: Will Hore get a three months suspension
November 26, 2012, 22:50:10

Sharkbok

Not always sure about the so-alled hits in rugby.   In a CC game between the Sharks and WP - the Stormers was involved in a driving maul.   Sinclair was the upstanding player in the maul .   Deysel openly slapped Sinclair in the face five times. When the maul ended - Sinclair gave him an uppercut - that lifted Deysel from the gtound and he fell flat on his back..   That really was a huge blow - not something less hard.

Sinclair got red-carded forthat effort and Deysel got a yellow.

Sinclair - because of provocation by Deysel got off scotfree at the hearing..    


hakwa

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RE: Will Hore get a three months suspension
November 27, 2012, 01:56:04

Ceradyne, you are misquoting me! All I asked you to do was look at his record in black and while. I wasn't telling you that Hore ticks all the boxes for Sainthood! (at least not yet)


hakwa

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RE: Will Hore get a three months suspension
November 27, 2012, 01:58:08

so Sharkbok, maybe we should we tell the police to arrest Rougerie for eyegouging McCaw? why stop there - let us include Greyling for his malicious hit on McCaw, Higginbottom's kneeing McCaw in the head, Cooper kneeing McCaw in the head, Tugiri's speaktackle on McCaw, Stephen Larkam's spear tackle on McDonald, Victor Matfield's high tackles on Dan Carter, Chilliboy's eye gouging himself!


DbDraad

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RE: Will Hore get a three months suspension
November 27, 2012, 08:23:18

 Andrew, that was a Hore-able thing to do!


Beeno1

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RE: Will Hore get a three months suspension
November 27, 2012, 08:50:42

Chilli boy eye gouging himslef. Hahahahhahaha hakwa you appear to have a pretty empty cupboard on this issue. Anyhow Hakwa take comfort in the fact the samoans are even dirtier than nz. 

Nz I have to say have tried to cleane up their act a tad dueto TV replays but these things are deep rooted and poor hore was simply reverting to type!! He and Thompson can commiserate that their true selves got the better of them. Hahahahhahahaha

No compare this with etzebeth  - the guy the nz plonks are trying to cast in the role of a thug for very obvious reasons. Today the young man stand squarely on the moal high ground. and nz fans have to think of what next to do! Of course they will try like ou jallopy to run through the tapes of Bok games to see if they can find any Bok misdemeanor - but the pickings are very meagre. If anyone looks through the ab tapes the picking I would hazard would not be so meagre.

Horeable indeed Draad! Hahahahahahaha


Sharkbok

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RE: Will Hore get a three months suspension
November 27, 2012, 11:04:36

 Hakwa, Rugby is a physical sport but punching someone and knocking them out from behind is probably going over the limit. Not as bad as eye gouging someone to the extend that their are blinded. Their is being physical and their is assault- the intent to commit gerviously bodily harm.

I have never seen Hore involved in similar activities, and perhaps this was just one act of madness. However it was brutal and he has put someone in hospital. I reckon he may find himself getting a very severe punishment from the IRB and he may even find his All Blacks career ended as well.

I read an article that New Zealand rugby are very unhappy happy with Hore. They have just signed some massive sponsor ship from AIG and others, and their sponsers are not going to be happy with this at all. Hore may find it is the end of his All Black career. Dean Greyling as you may have noticed has never again been selected in the boks squad after his act of thugery against Mccaw.

 


hakwa

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RE: Will Hore get a three months suspension
November 27, 2012, 13:09:16

 Assistant coach Ian Foster has the task of accompanying the 34-year-old test veteran to his hearing where one assumes the wide-angled BBC footage seen by the British rugby public, will be viewed.

In it, Davies is clearly shown running interference as Hore chases an Aaron Cruden high kick.

I believe Sharkbok that Davies will NEVER run a similar interference ever again against the All Blacks! Davies misdemeanor fits Trevor Brennan's exploits or lack thereof against Toutai Kefu. What is wrong with these NH idiots?


clevermike

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RE: Will Hore get a three months suspension
November 27, 2012, 13:18:56

Hakwa

Wirh due respect - I do not really buy the inteference running story.  Davies ran a straight line back towards where the ball went and did not deviate to obstruct Hore.  There is no indication at all that he obstructed Hore that was running behind hiim on any reasonable grounds.   If Hore wanted to get ahead of Davies he should deviate from the line of running and try and get past Davies.   He did not do that and instead chose the disastrous way to get ahead.    I don't think the Disciplinary hearing would buy that excuse for Hore's actions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


carpetmuncher

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RE: Will Hore get a three months suspension
November 27, 2012, 13:23:44

www.youtube.com/watch

 

a stiff arm from behind is not really great rugby sorry to say


hakwa

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RE: Will Hore get a three months suspension
November 27, 2012, 14:50:54

 Mike you need to watch the the wide-angled BBC footage from the Sky Camera from the moment the ball left Cruden's foot as he kicks the up and under/bomb! I am not selling you anything - as I keep saying, watch the wide-angled BBC footage from the Sky Camera from the moment the ball left Cruden's foot and then make up your own mind as to the reason why Hore knocked him out!

 


Sharkbok

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RE: Will Hore get a three months suspension
November 27, 2012, 14:57:30

 Hakwa if professional cheating warranted being knocked out, Richie Mccaw would never finish a game- and this is even in the SuperXV against his New Zealand teams. 

 


hakwa

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RE: Will Hore get a three months suspension
November 27, 2012, 15:10:56

So now you're agreeing that Davies was cheating when Hore accidently touched his face with his open hand and then his knee? How can you compare Saint McCaw to Davies the Cheat in the same breath? 

Here is the link for you and Mike! Click on the video!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/20487856


Sharkbok

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RE: Will Hore get a three months suspension
November 27, 2012, 16:06:58

 Hakwa- I agree 100% that the Welsh player is cheating. He is blatantly running in the way. 

However looking at your link, this different camera angles shows a 2nd possibale offence. 

1st - swinging punch to knock the player into the ground, who then proceeds to fall into the ruck. 

2- Hore then runs over him, and rucks him out of the ruck. It may even be in the 2nd instance, where the Welsh player gets knocked out. Although I doubt he himself would recall when he was knocked out. --

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This double incident makes Bakkies Botha look like a Sunday School Teacher.


moolaa

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RE: Will Hore get a three months suspension
November 28, 2012, 00:47:16

Sharkbok, open both eyes mate. He trips over Davies. Not in your wildest dreams does he ruck him!


mozart

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RE: Will Hore get a three months suspension
November 28, 2012, 00:56:46

It wasn't justified under any circumstances, but I'm sure the consequences were much more dramatic than Hore intended. As for it being cowardly, I'd say it was more surreptitious than cowardly. The quick blow just to let the opponent know he shouldn't obstruct again. Frankly I think Ben Young's punch to Etzebeth's face carried more bad intentions. Problem was, he might as well have hit the Paarl Rock.


allblacknblue

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RE: Will Hore get a three months suspension
November 28, 2012, 10:03:45

Sorry lads being jet lagged in nz and unable to reply. Basically  it was cheap, from behind and taken like a sneak theif in the night = long ban in my books.

Having said that please let the man get suspended a few more times before the bakkies comparisons start.


clevermike

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RE: Will Hore get a three months suspension
November 28, 2012, 10:19:07

Sasue

Are you on holiday in New Zealand? If so - enjoy it.   After Saturday there would not be much to discuss rugby-wise other than Beeno's misreadings of games and situations - Saffex crazy selections and - Mozarts hankering for the return of the past.  Hilarious stuff really. 

But in January - early discussion of the Super 15 will commence and then the real stuff will start emerging.  Saffex will discover another dream player in the Varsity Cup to fawn about for the next two years - Beeno will start shouting and screaming about the virtues of the Stormers - and Mozart would want all the ex-Springboks back (as always.   The firast six months next year will be particularly challenging.   

In the emantime - enjoy the Heinekens and the summer season. 


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