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Saffex

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Shit no Philander
November 22, 2012, 02:08:14

and Faf in for the injured JP. Faf does not look like a test bat and cant believe Kleinveldt was ever considered test material. The lad was a joke in the first test - an out of shape 29 year old on debut......come on!!

The SA side looks vulnerable

 


Beeno1

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RE: Shit no Philander
November 22, 2012, 09:21:06

No Philander, no Duminy and now Kallis injured. We are stuffed.

Shocking bad luck again. Why!


carpetmuncher

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RE: Shit no Philander
November 22, 2012, 11:20:46

the pro tears are down 2 bowlers and the aussies are taking full toll of the situation


carpetmuncher

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RE: Shit no Philander
November 22, 2012, 11:21:53

the pro tears are fetching leather. aussies fecthing batting at over 5 for a day. i tthink i have never seen such a rate over a days play ever.


Denny

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RE: Shit no Philander
November 24, 2012, 10:18:21

A girl

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[removed] no Philander
November 22, 2012, 02:08:14

"and Faf in for the injured JP. Faf does not look like a test bat and cant believe Kleinveldt was ever considered test material. The lad was a joke in the first test - an out of shape 29 year old on debut......come on!!"

So erm Shotgun Stuffedeggs, care to withdraw your irrational comments as both Faf and Rory alongside of Vernon Philander and Alviro Pieterson kick more dirt into your eyes... I mean your header is quite funny as I recall you saying exactly the same about Vernon as you're now saying about Faf and Rory let alone Alviro. Your U Turn on Vernon is noted but that hasn't stopped you blustering away once more.

Wish I could say stick to Rugby but then again I can't  until you've scraped away the egg-nogg covering your dumbass face...remember it was you who retired Habana, Player of the Year, from international rugby at the start of the season.

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Saffex

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RE: Shit no Philander
November 24, 2012, 13:06:54

Look here you stupid [removed], it was a long time ago that I conceded that I got Philander wrong so shut up you ignorant twat.

Kleinveldt is a joke, will never be a test bowler

If you had actually watched Faf dumbass you will have seen all the edges early on. Faf is a handy player, but test bat he is not. One innings does not really qualify a test prediction now does it - but then again you are too bloody stupid to comprehend that


Denny

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RE: Shit no Philander
November 24, 2012, 14:56:25

Once again you've missed the point, Shotgun. Now if you'd just settled down a wee bit and stopped frothing at the mouth and stopped throwing out meaningless insults in cyberspace you'd get the message.

The point is that you're hopelessly wrong once again, Rory has caught the eye of the selectors with his performances at provincial level, and for that he has been justifiably selected in Philander's place who is currently out injured. Today he justified his selection by breaking the back of the Oz second innings by scalping their top order. Not bad for a man who is a newbie to the Test arena. Get it? I hope so.

Faf was the second higest run scorer today, once again that is saying something of a newbie to the Test arena against a great Oz attack.

 

Shotgun, stop your screaming, it is childlike and immature. Screaming and yelling in cyberspace is meaningless, try and add to the debate with intelligent comment.


Saffex

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RE: Shit no Philander
November 25, 2012, 00:39:49

And I am telling you ugly mug that Kleinveldt is a fat bog ordinary bowler who would not look out of place playing village cricket.

I take it you saw his 3 wickets, what a joke.

Did you google the words 'intelligent comment' for thats not something we usually associate with anything you post

Why not just piss off for a good few weeks and then drop in to yap at my heels in a few weeks time - we wont miss you honestly


Denny

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RE: Shit no Philander
November 25, 2012, 01:04:44

Let me get this right, so Kleiveldt taking the first 3 weeks wickets which Morkel and Steyn failed to do, is bog ordinary? Please explain how suuch a display by a  newbie on foreign soil can be described as bog ordinary?

As an afterthought I wonder what captain Smithy thinks of his debutants performance? And then for fair measure I wonder if Philander would have done any better? But anyway our Fountain of Knowledge....go ahead and explain.


Saffex

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RE: Shit no Philander
November 25, 2012, 01:18:38

Yes ugly man he is bog ordinary as were his 3 wickets in particular that first one. The fat guy with man boobs is an insult of a test bowler, if he can play test cricket then so can my 15 year old who has more ability as a bowler than this joke.

The true calibre of the man was reflected in the first test where he took no wickets and got smashed out of the attack. He is kak


Denny

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RE: Shit no Philander
November 25, 2012, 01:26:15

No he's not kak...what's kak is your bog ordinary shotgun comments. He is as kak as the players you've previously said were kak and they are Philaner, Habana, Jean De Villiers,Faf, Alviro Pieterson etc...


Saffex

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RE: Shit no Philander
November 25, 2012, 01:32:55

I see your lies are endless, I have never said Habana and Jean were kak, I said they were now past it. I made an incorrect call regarding Philander and said as much. Have said Faf does not look a test bat, I stand by my comments on Alviro and in particular Kleinveldt - he is kak as much as you are a low life liar


mozart

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RE: Shit no Philander
November 25, 2012, 04:00:22

"The fat guy with man boobs".....Swami are you going autobiographical again? 


Saffex

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RE: Shit no Philander
November 25, 2012, 15:01:44

Moffie one certainty is that I am built like a real man, unlike the skinny rake you are!!


Boklogic

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RE: Shit no Philander
November 26, 2012, 09:12:42

 Ha ha A girl..This is not a personal attack but how mad are you at yourself now that you said, "Faf is a handy player but a test bat he is not!" One of the best centuries ever made. He had to fight from ball one. Nothing came easy. He showed the guts and determination of a test veteran and its only his first game.


Beeno1

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RE: Shit no Philander
November 26, 2012, 09:36:37

Gentlemen lets be fair to snapster. Faf has not looked like a test class batsmen that is a fact. However like Alviro one wonders if this innings will turn him into one. Batting that long and being undefeated in the end will boost his confidence hugely.

What a great escape. Unfortunatley I hear Kallis may be out for he next test. Hope that proves wrong.

They need to call up a spinner perhaps. Maybe Petersen will play in the next test.


clevermike

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RE: Shit no Philander
November 26, 2012, 09:42:31

A girl

When will you ever learn to keep your trap shut before the fact - it would save you a lot of embarrassment.   If it was not for Faf Du Plesiss - playing in his first test - South Africa would have lost the test.   Matter of fact he was really outstanding in both innings and mainly responsible for the draw after a serious collapse by the top order...

Not bad for a test rookie - to be Player of the Match     My advice to you is wait till after the second innings before you make comments that can backfire badly.

 


Boklogic

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RE: Shit no Philander
November 26, 2012, 10:50:17

 What do you mean Beeno? How can you tell Faf does not look like a test batsmen when this was his first game? Same way we would have never known if Kleinveldt was a test bowler had he not been given a shot. We need to give it some time before we make those calls. Just like rugby..Hougaard has proven at the moment he is no test number 9. We gave him time to prove himself. Faf was a huge talent who needed a chance and he took it with both hands and feet ;-)


Ek

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RE: Shit no Philander
November 26, 2012, 11:04:26

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RE: [removed] no Philander
November 24, 2012, 13:06:54

If you had actually watched Faf dumbass you will have seen all the edges early on. Faf is a handy player, but test bat he is not. One innings does not really qualify a test prediction now does it - but then again you are too bloody stupid to comprehend that

An inings like he just played, qualifies him not only as a test batsman, but I rate a potentially very good one.....


clevermike

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RE: Shit no Philander
November 26, 2012, 11:13:34

Beeno

Please note that the WACA is not a ground known for spin bowling - so I think it is unlikely that we would play a spinner on that ground.   I think we will try and strenthen the bowling department by including Elgar - who bats esonably well.   I think Kallis may not be able to bowl - but he may be retatined for batting only.   Chances are that Philander will come back to replace Tahir and that they would retain Kleinveldr.

To be quite fair both Rudolph and Faf are better spin bowlers thatn Tahir - especially on a pitch know for lack of spin - and it is likely that they could bowl a few overs if need be.  


Denny

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RE: Shit no Philander
November 26, 2012, 11:19:31

Mike...some facts

Unfortuntely, legend Kallis will not be playing in Perth. Elgar will replace him. It is uncertain whether Vernon will be fit enough to play hence the reason some guy buy the name of Maclean has been recalled. Rory will most defnitely be in the mix. Tahir will not be selected.

 


Chippo

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RE: Shit no Philander
November 26, 2012, 11:37:05

Whats with all the Faffing!


What a great innings!

Probably the best middle order innings we have witnessed by a SAFFA batsman in a few years!

Ironically, the last innings I can remember like that came from the man that Faf replaced.... JP Duminy ... against Oz in Oz... ALSO making his debut!


I like the fact that we save our best fights for the men down under!


Im proud to be a SAFFA today.


Well done to Faf and the Proteas...

And well done to JDV and the Bokke for coming home unbeaten.


Denny

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RE: Shit no Philander
November 26, 2012, 11:41:18

Boklogic

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RE: [removed] no Philander
November 26, 2012, 10:50:17

 What do you mean Beeno? How can you tell Faf does not look like a test batsmen when this was his first game? Same way we would have never known if Kleinveldt was a test bowler had he not been given a shot. We need to give it some time before we make those calls. Just like rugby..Hougaard has proven at the moment he is no test number 9. We gave him time to prove himself. Faf was a huge talent who needed a chance and he took it with both hands and feet ;-)

 

 

Well said.


clevermike

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RE: Shit no Philander
November 26, 2012, 11:41:40

Denny

I think the guy you referred to is Ryan McClaren.  He is a good bowler and also a reasonable batter.  He is in the one-day squad and also play in 20:20.   If Philander is unable to play - Mc Claren is likely to play in his place. 


Denny

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RE: Shit no Philander
November 26, 2012, 11:49:18

Thanks for correcting me Mike, that said he makes no impression on me, that's based on what I've seen thus far of him. But hey, I'm not about to outgun Shotgun Stuffeggs, as it stands there's just not enough eggnogg around so I'll wait and see.

But seriouly now, do we need another allrounder? A genuine quick or/and a specialist batsman in the abscence of both Duminy and Kallis is what I'm looking for...???


Ek

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RE: Shit no Philander
November 26, 2012, 11:55:46

For the third test assuming both Kallis and Phillander are out, I would go:

A Peterson

Smith

Amla

Rudolph

de Villiers

du Plessis

Tsolekile

R Peterson

Steyn

Kleinveldt

Morkel

I would like AB to focus solely on his batting if Kallis is out. We will need him rested and not standing behind the wickets for long hours.


Denny

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RE: Shit no Philander
November 26, 2012, 12:04:14

Ek, I like your team minus a spinner, the WACA is notorious for pace through 5 days. And I totally agree with AB being relieved of Keeping duties,it's  just dumb. Someone on here has said that Rudolph can bowl spin.


Ek

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RE: Shit no Philander
November 26, 2012, 12:21:09

Correct Rudolph can bowl Spin. He bowls some off spin, and Faf bowls Leggies. But they are both not frontline spinners.

I would rather go with a frontline spinner in Robbie Peterson, he has some fight in him than an untested Seamer.

Robbie tends to get spin off pitches that are notoriously not spin friendly. The way the ausies bat aggressively Robbie will bring the run rate down. And that is what we need to win at this stage cause the Ausies are batting like they playing a one day game. A seamer will ony help them.

I am thinking containment at this stage. Plus freeing AB up as Kallis is not available.

However if Philander is available, I would play him in Tsolekile's place and leave AB to keep.

We cannot go into the test without a frontline spinner. Also Tahir's role is to take wickets etc. We don't have a caontaining bowler if Kallis is out, and I won't play Kallis if he can't bowl, I'd rather have him rest and recover.


Boklogic

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RE: Shit no Philander
November 26, 2012, 21:56:35

Guys, I dont live in SA so I never get to watch our provincial cricket but in place of Kallis, would Neil McKenzie not be a better option at the moment. He knows what it takes to play test cricket and he is a solid batsmen. We will never be able to replace Kallis with another "all-rounder" because we have no one on his level. Kallis can make the team as a batsmen alone or a bowler alone..

Also, if the wicket is known for pace, what happened to Marchant De Lange? Are any of these two I mentioned injured or something?

Smith

Pietersen

Amla

McKenzie

Rudolph

De Villiers

Du Plessis

Philander

Steyn

Morkel

De Lange

(Kleinveldt if Philander is no good)

 

I would be keen to switch Rudolph with another specialist batsmen who is playing well in SA. Rudolph seems to offer very little these days and everytime he is batting, I just get the feeling that he could be dismissed at any time. I know any batsmen can be dismissed at any time but its just a feeling I get. Very nervous when he is batting. He doesn't have that confidence he once did.

We could have Philander, Morkel, De Lnage and Steyn as our 4 front line bowlers steaming in all day. Faf, McKenzie with his medium pace or Graeme Smith can chew through short spells to give the guys a breather..

This team would have our bowlers covered as well as 8 very handy batsmen and of course Steyn and Morkel are good for a cameo down the bottom if the pressure is off. Its up tonumbers 1 to 7 or 8 (Philander) to not leave them in a pressure situation.


clevermike

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RE: Shit no Philander
November 26, 2012, 22:37:10

Boklogic

I do watch a lot of local cricket  and based on that I think that in the longer version of the game - Mckenzie is really not up yo scratch anymore - he plays better in the shorter versions of the game.   I think at 36 he really is on the way out.

Rudolph is not very consistnt and he is likely to make way sooner rather than later.   At rhis stage would probably be Du Plessi.

The talk of the town is about the 19 year old Quinton De Kock.    He keeps wicket - but is a strong little bugger that can hit balls for miles he bats at 3.   He has made 256 runs in an innings in the longer version of the game  and made a century the other day in a One-Dayer.   Tons of talent and is likely to move up sooner rather than later - will probably replace De Villiers as WK.

De Llange has been out of circulation now for a while due ro injury.   Should be back in the mix fairly soon..

  


Ek

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RE: Shit no Philander
November 27, 2012, 08:44:49

Mike now we are talking...... the sooner Quintin makes the step up the better. the other day when me and my boy watceh the Lions play and Quintin came in to bat my boy was all like but dad, there is a boy playing with the ooms.

At 19 looking 13, Logic this kid is the future behind the wickets, I just wish the SA selectors can see it. He has been compared to the great Gilchrist by the Autralian media at the u19 world cup this year, great praise coming from the Ausies. So yes he would actually be a good replacement for rudolph in the long run as it will free AB up. I won't bat him at 3 in the national side though more at say  7. Faf is in now his sheer determination has grinded a spot for him. Now to just find out where to bat Duminy we can't leave him out. If you play both Dumniy and Faf you have 2 decent spin bowlers to hold and 2 good batsmen as well. This also gives you some variety as Duminy has a good off spin and Faf a decent Leggie.

But i don't agree with Logic's assesment of Mckenzie Mike you have a point he is far more a one dayer these days, plus getting a bit old.


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