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Sharkbok

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Boks to bank ‘boring’ for now
November 19, 2012, 10:01:26

 

Boks to bank ‘boring’ for now

2012-11-19 07:04
 
 
 
 
 
 
Sport24 chief writer Rob Houwing (File)

Cape Town - Revolutionary changes to the game-plan for South Africa’s final Test of the year against England at Twickenham on Saturday?

Forget it, I suspect.

At least for the time being, the Springbok hierarchy - coaches and senior players alike - will almost certainly continue to take accusations that they are blunt, boring and brutally forward-obsessed stubbornly on the chin.

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The Boks are on the verge of a first clean-sweep conquest in the northern hemisphere since 2008, when it was also a relatively short, three-match undertaking.

Thus far, the tours have other things in common: after the first two matches four years ago, South Africa’s wins (against Wales and Scotland) had also not earned especially enthusiastic acclaim.

The then-World Cup champions had beaten the Welsh 20-15 and the Scots 14-10, and there was a school of thought that both matches had actually deserved to go the other way - at least this time, the 16-12 and 21-10 victories over Ireland and Scotland respectively have been reasonably apt outcomes whatever the merits and demerits of the South African performances.

Be that as it may, the Boks of 2008 - touring with a stronger pool of first-team stalwarts than they are now, it probably needs to be noted - were stung into more fluid action in the last match at “Twickers”, posting a record tally of points against the unsuspecting English at their stronghold as they romped home 42-6 and by five tries to nil.

It may be seriously optimistic to expect anything like that score-line again, and maybe also the 20-14 loss for the home side against the so-so Wallabies this weekend wasn’t quite the result the 2012 Boks might have hoped for; England ought to be in some sort of chastened, redemption mode on Saturday.

Once again, however, you can safely bet that Heyneke Meyer will gratefully bank another win, virtually regardless of how it is achieved.

Without wishing to sound like the apologist for the head honcho that I am defiantly not, Bok coaches always have to be mindful of their “win/loss ratios” because they are, simply, constantly reminded of them by public and press alike.

Meyer entered this particular tour under pressure on that front - he had hitherto managed a dangerously low four triumphs from nine starts, and suddenly his six from 11 seems rather more palatable on paper, doesn’t it?

If he can claim England’s scalp for the third time in four meetings this season (one dead-rubber draw at Port Elizabeth), his record will balloon, whether you like it or not, to seven from 12.

He would have some pretty good statistical ammunition, under those circumstances, for saying that his troops are slowly maturing and that winning is at least starting to become a bit more habitual again after his first season at the job.

This might again sound like a defence of Meyer, but the end-of-year venture is also a less than suitable or realistic time for many of his near-exhausted, over-played resources to be willing to tear up a template at short notice and muster the mental energy to determinedly make it “sexier” with the snap of the fingers.

The vast majority of the key Bok players, I have no doubt, will happily eke out another win in London, by hook or by crook, and then go off on much-needed holiday.
Regroup? Rethink? Pah, save it for next year.

A key objective of this tour, given its relevance to seedings for the next World Cup, was to secure and then fortify status as second-ranked team on the planet behind runaway leaders New Zealand, and that goal is obviously well on track.

But that is not to say that Bok supporters who are getting increasingly militant about the sterile, shackle-dragging manner in which the national team have been going about their business recently don’t have every reason to do so.

South Africa are certainly strangling pretty limited opponents in a rather joyless, battering fashion on this particular tour and even Meyer must know deep down that a significant drive to rekindle a gradually slipping skills factor among backs and forwards alike will be necessary in 2013 if the Boks are to at least close the gap on the ever-sprightly All Blacks 
whose “brand”, frankly, deserves and doubtless commands much broader appeal worldwide at present.

While lamenting the not dissimilar bankruptcy in playing style of this year’s England side, former British and Irish Lions lock Paul Ackford acidly observed in the Sunday Telegraph of the Boks: “Can’t do much else apart from scrummage, crunch the breakdowns and smash the collisions.”

Who knows, perhaps two negatives will combine to create an unlikely “positive” in spectacle terms at Twickenham on Saturday?

If lucky enough to anticipate one, just don’t stake your Christmas bonus on it.


carpetmuncher

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RE: Boks to bank ‘boring’ for now
November 19, 2012, 10:04:32

sorry to say HM's views will never change and the net result will be we will squander the massive amout of backline talent and we will create 15 other morne steyn's out there.


Sharkbok

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RE: Boks to bank ‘boring’ for now
November 19, 2012, 10:07:47

 For now, or Forever HMeyer era. He loves the boring stuff. Morne Steyn although totally out of form does undertstand that the game plan is really just having no game plan. Kick away and chase unless in the opposition 22. Then hold onto the ball for recycles amongst the forwards when in the opposition 22. 


carpetmuncher

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RE: Boks to bank ‘boring’ for now
November 19, 2012, 10:24:26

@sharkbok spot on mate...i think if you really want to waste a few bucks on a book see if you can buy matfield's book. it really gives you insight into how the HM mind works and shows or at least it showed me why the boks are playing like they are at the moment.

 

HM wil never changed his ways. his style is a one trick circus pony and he will get away with it this year but next year the opposing teams will figure him out and he wont be able to change his approach


clevermike

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RE: Boks to bank ‘boring’ for now
November 19, 2012, 10:25:57

The problem here is not the boring game - it is the predictability of that game plan.   The boring game is OK if there is slight variations from time to time - but there are nothing at all.   No vatiations means predictability and that means the opposing teams can take effective counter-measures.   

That in effect means forget about defending against the flyhalf or scrummy - the wings as well as the no 8 fall back - ready to field the kicks.   The loosies go for the no 12 and he result is a maul behind the gain line.   The other backline players are there to defend and they can be as useless as De Jongh is on attack - and still make the team.   

Hell I thought 10 man rugby went out of the window years ago - but Meyer is trying to re-invent and introduced that.    He must be living in the earlier time warp to do that.  Signs are we are not progressing in playing of rugby - but we are going backwards.


carpetmuncher

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RE: Boks to bank ‘boring’ for now
November 19, 2012, 12:47:48

i do feel for the union coaches as they will get there boks back all pre programmed to act like robots

 

a boring game plan as you said mike is a predictable one. in that stems the problem. if your predictable your beatable.


Beeno1

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RE: Boks to bank ‘boring’ for now
November 19, 2012, 13:25:31

Well lets see who we have beaten. Oz, England, Argies, Ireland Scotland and only the abs were not beaten due purely to a extremely poor goal kicking display.

We saw som enic eattacking rugby and the firs thalf agains tO at loftuswa sparticualry good. There wer other good periods as well.

Meyer has studied all game plans but according to some her ewill never change. Wish i knew the futue as well asthese oaks do.!!

COMPULSORY READING FOR ALL BLEATERS!

"This might again sound like a defence of Meyer, but the end-of-year venture is also a less than suitable or realistic time for many of his near-exhausted, over-played resources to be willing to tear up a template at short notice and muster the mental energy to determinedly make it “sexier” with the snap of the fingers".

Bleaters it scalled REALISM.

Well done to Meyer and the Boks on winning their first two matches. Just hope there is enough left in the tank to win the third. 

 


sasuke uchiha

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RE: Boks to bank ‘boring’ for now
November 20, 2012, 10:04:02

@ben10,

under meyer they also racked up the Springboks worst ever result against the pumas and were lucky as fudge to get away with a draw, they also lost to an injury ravaged wallabies team.
u are also sugar coating the All Blacks loss, amking it sound like u lost the two tests due to poor kicking. fact even if the Boks converted more of their goals, the butterfly effect means they still could have lost, end of the day its all speculation, the cold hardcore fact is the Boks lost.
and damn right u better not mention the sowetto rampage, or a re u saying that missed kicks cost u a game there too??? o_O, LMAO, :oD


Beeno1

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RE: Boks to bank ‘boring’ for now
November 20, 2012, 10:49:47

Please saSUE get ral. We are an injury ravaged side even mor eso that OZ. As has been noted if Morne had his kicking boots on we ewould have beaten OZ in OZ and the Abs in Dunedin - comfortably.

As for the Pumas - give them credit they are no pushovers and were really up for that home again and we were not.

Its very simple - Morne kicking to his normal stndards and we would have only lost one rugby championship game and that was against the abs in SA.  I ask again what would all these bleaters have said if Morne had kicked to normal standards. Against the abs in Dunedin he was at 20% - thats unheard of.

Meyer has been robbed of a rugby Championship by poor goal kicking.  Who can deny that?

I know the Bok game is currently limited but it could have been very effective but for goal kicking. Also I do think we shall see better on attack next year.

We have been playing the last half dozen or so tests on half empty. Here is hoping the Boks injury ravaged, exhausted and up against a crowd of bleaters can get up one last time this season and beat England. Go Bokke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


sasuke uchiha

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RE: Boks to bank ‘boring’ for now
November 22, 2012, 20:39:17

@ben10,
ur one eyed delusional bleats are well known amongst the sarugby universe and why i am correcting u again only God knows, but rest assured i take no pleasure in correcting ur last post which was devoid of any logic, just like i take no pleasure in being able to walk up the stairs in front of a person in a wheelchair, i just need to do it and thats all there is to it.

u seem to think that had morne kicked all his goals, the Boks would have won the game, the reality is that is rubbish, cos u and i have no idea as to what might could have happened because of the simple thing known as the butterfly effect.
the definiton of the butterfly effect is,,,

the phenomenon whereby a small change at one place in a complex system can have large effects elsewhere.

to explain it further i will take mornes first penalty goal in the 18th minute as an example. morne converts the penalty Boks are leading 3-0. All Blacks kick off, Boks gather the ball and kick down feild, All Blacks play running rugby and add some slick passing which has the All blacks scroing a try, 1min after the converted penalty.
now if morne had not converted that first penalty attempt, the ball would never have been kicked off to the Boks and they in turn would never have kicked down feild and the All blacks would never have run to score the try, so in a sense mornes succesful penalty attempt led to the All blacks try.

basically what im saying is, had morne been succesful with any of his missed penalty goals, the All Blacks could very well have scored another try as a result, as the whole dynamics of the game would have changed, is it likely of course not, but its definatley more likely then the chance that the Boks might have scored trys in the resulting plays, or bafan bafnaed their way into a victory.

the reality is, no one knows, regardless of the boo hoo what if rugby world u live in, but i compeltly understand, if my All Blacks played like ur Boks, dreamland would definately be a much better alternative.
but here is the ultimate bottomline, hte All Blacks not only beat the Boks, but the Boks walked away from dunedin without a single championship point, but dont feel too bad, not one team in the IRC managed to get a championship point from the All Blacks.


sasuke uchiha

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RE: Boks to bank ‘boring’ for now
November 23, 2012, 00:38:12

@ben10,

the other thing is the number of injuries u claim to have suffered which is more then the wallabies, i say bullshit, but i dont need to give u a chaos theory lesson here that was more hten likely to be waaaaay to complicated for u to understand, so simple out and out facts will destroy that mirage of a comment of urs saying that the Boks had more injuries then the wallabies.

as of 22/11/12, the following have missed this number of games to injuries....

wallabies
j oconner - 13 games
d pocock - 9 games
j horwil - 13 games
j tomane - 12 games
c vuna - 10 games
k beale - 2 games
w genia - 6 games
q cooper - 10 games
p mccaab - 3 games
w palu - 6 games
s moore - 7 games
t polotu nau - 2 games
d mitchell - 8 games

Boks
s burger - 11
a bekker - 3 games
jp pieterson - 6 games
j goosen - 4 games
b du plesiss - 7 games
beast - 2 games
habana - 2 games
w alberts - 1 game
c oosthuizen - 9 games
f steyn - 4 games
h brussow - 4 games
p spies - 8 games
t liebenberg - 2 games

these games missed are only due to injuries, not cos they missed selection or were unavailable due to other engagments like weddings etc
feel free to add any names on the Boks injury list that i might have missed, i still have more names that i can add onto the wallabies injury list.

i will admit that the Boks have had a lot of injuries, but tthey have also balanced that out a by selecting NH based players, something that austalia like NZ do not do, even though their lack of depth in the country demands is, so thumbs up to the wallabies, they are the only team in the world who scares me when playing a fully fit or near fit team.

fell free to stay away from this thread brother ben10, i know how ur allegies act up around logic, rational thinking and the truth, LMFAO, :oD


Shezza

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RE: Boks to bank ‘boring’ for now
November 23, 2012, 01:03:02

Sasu you are forgetting about all of the in-eligible and retired Boks that we've been unable to select. Also we are in a rejuvenation phase with brand new coaches and new players. We simply lost to the Wallabies in Australia but we were in the game all the way through to the endbut then we absolutely smashed them at Loftus. 

We could of beat you in Dunedin if we had someone else at 10 and you know that. Our forwards made a superb platform for our halfbacks to create things from but Morne was just himself and played in the pocket not creating shit, I haven't even mentioned his goal kicking for that match but he ruined it for us in that respect moreso than the first aspect I mentioned.

 


sasuke uchiha

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RE: Boks to bank ‘boring’ for now
November 23, 2012, 03:50:19

@shezza,

on the off chance u do have nostradamus and physic like abilities, allow me to apologise in advance, but seriously how in the world would u know what i would or would have known??? o_O

as for ur statement we could of beat u in dunedin??? teaching others the finer points of of the what if world is tiring, so would u mind loling at urself for me???
the scientific fact to the topic is simply this, no one knows what might have been on the road not travelled. the one undisputed fact is the All Blacks won the dunedin test, the sooner u accept that the sooner the hesaling process can begin. why u guys are still stuck in spet is beyond me, but i would just get over it.
its a waste of time trying to convince me that ur forwards set a good platform, cos while they did, they also ran out of gas on the 60th minute mark and were lumbering around trying to keep up with the All Blacks fast game, but thats a story for another time.

as for the Boks who are retired and unavailable, i wonder how these players worked out for the Boks the last few years??? but to save time, my post was in response to brother ben10s comments about the Boks having more injuries then the wallabies, something i have proven is not the case.
as for this rejuvenation and rebuilding phase that the Boks are going through, yeah wonderful coaching startegy being applied here by meyer, how many players in the Boks squad were not used on the EOYT??? and why is he persisting with the old no value players based in the UK like brits and steenkamp??? probably all part of a greater rebuilding future schgeme that is to cunning for the likes of me to understandm, :oP
 


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