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Sharkbok

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We’ll take the win, says Heyneke
November 17, 2012, 22:34:52

 

We’ll take the win, says Heyneke



 

Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer said he was not happy with the way his team released pressure and allowed Scotland back into the game after halftime, but said winning ugly wins trophies and he was pleased with the way his team had laid the foundation for their 21-10 victory over Scotland at Murrayfield on Saturday.

“The last time the Springboks came to Scotland a more experienced team than the one that played for us today lost, so we will take the win,” said Meyer afterwards.

“I was disappointed with the second half because I really thought we had done everything we had set out to do in the early part of the game. Unlike last week we built our innings, and we really dominated the Scots until the 50th minute. But in the second half it was a bit like last week’s first half in terms of us conceding penalties.

“I am not happy with that. We pride ourselves on discipline, so we have to sort those problems out. Whenever there was a penalty they kicked us into the corner, and it is hard to play from there. We played almost the entire last half hour of the game in our own half. But in the first half it was reversed, and when we applied the pressure it was us who won penalties.”

Meyer found it hard to pinpoint exactly what led to the massive momentum shift that, although it did not make any difference to the final result, allowed Scotland to escape with a modi[removed] of self-respect from a game where they were being comprehensively outplayed when they were down 21-3 after 50 minutes.

“It’s hard to say what happened, but I think the Scots lifted themselves after they scored their try off a lineout set in the corner off a penalty.

That gave them momentum, and they knew that if they just played the game in our half, they could play off penalties that we conceded. It was very frustrating and something we are going to have to redress.

“But while I always hate to be seen to be making excuses, I also want to add that it has been a long and tiring year for us. I think there were quite a few players that just never had a second 40 minutes in them today.”

Obviously that is going to have to require some sharp and clever management from Meyer this week, as England now stand between the Boks and their mission of finishing off the year with an unbeaten overseas tour. In 2008, when the Boks were captained by John Smit and coached by Peter de Villiers, they hardly trained at all in the last week of the tour, and ended up scoring a record 42-6 win.

If there are areas of concern for the Boks outside of their staying power at this late stage of the season, they should be concentrated mainly on the backs. There was enough ball for the Boks to put the Scots away in the first half, but they just couldn’t get it well enough together at the back to get across the line. The Boks' first-half try came from a lineout set up by a penalty, and it was a lineout followed by a few phases that put them in for their try in Dublin last week.

SUPERB TACTICAL KICKING

That might account for skipper Jean de Villiers’s decision to kick many of the kickable penalties that his team were awarded to touch instead of at goal. Had the Boks opened up more space on the scoreboard, they might have forced the Scots into making the errors that would have seen points piled on, but De Villiers reckons he got it right.

“The decision not kick for poles comes down to gut feel. The first one only just never worked for us, but then it worked for us later on,” said De Villiers.

“All the players gave me backing for my decision, and we felt we got it right most of the way.”

According to Meyer, the decision not to kick for poles was based on the need to strangle Scotland early in the game.

“We decided beforehand that we were going to put them under pressure as we knew they would come out firing and eager to get their crowd in behind them and to get a foothold in the game,” said Meyer.

“We succeeded in what we set out to do. We kept them in their half for the first 20 minutes. The first call not to kick was a 50/50 call, but I thought our tactics worked well. Our tactical kicking was superb in the first half, and I thought Patrick Lambie really played well before halftime. But the second half was a bit like the first half last week in that you can’t really influence the game with tactical kicking when you don’t have the ball.”

Meyer was backed in his view on how the Boks had laid their foundation by Scotland coach Andy Robinson, who looked disappointed at the post-match press conference. He acknowledged that his men had been outplayed by the subdue and penetrate approach of their opponents.

“Last week (against the All Blacks) we faced speed, this week we faced physicality, and we just weren’t up to it,” said Robinson.

“We have to learn lessons from this. We cannot give away penalties like we did, the Springbok tactics were spot on. They controlled territory in the first half and didn’t allow us into the game. It was when we controlled territory in the second half that we came back into the game and gained a bit of momentum. But the physical Springbok defence was too good for us.

“In the second half we didn’t give away penalties like we did in the first because our defence was on the front foot. Going into this sequence of games we knew both would be a tough challenge, but ultimately we were let down by not being able to produce an 80 minute performance in either.

“The Boks look like they are developing well. They play to a plan, stick to that plan, and they have the players to implement that plan. They all understand the plan. The Boks have strong ball carriers, and the arrival of Francois Louw in their team has given them a balance that maybe they lacked before. Ruan Pienaar is also a class footballer.

“They are a team that is starting to formulate, and formulate well. We know someone like JP Pietersen is a quality finisher, but today we saw that he is also a quality defender.”


Sharkbok

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RE: We’ll take the win, says Heyneke
November 17, 2012, 22:48:51

 I am not happy with that performance. The 1st half was ok, but the backs should have closed the game off in the first half. The 2nd half was terribale. 

Jannie Duplessis also stuffed up one of the best attacking moves. It really gets me irrate when players cant even make basic catches. Unacceptable. 

Francouis Louw is playing fantastic and is the brains of our forwards. 

Habana was cleary missed to make something from nothing. 


clevermike

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RE: We’ll take the win, says Heyneke
November 18, 2012, 04:55:50

The first 20 minutes oof the game was OK.   Then the scrums started going AWOL - especially Steenkamp was over-weight and obviously unfit.   Matter of fact he manafged  in the first three scrums to be firm - for the rest he was hopeless.   Even in that first 20 minutes things were not altogether reasonable - there were serious mistakes made as well.   That was followed by 20 minutes of up and down play.

In the second half Steenkamp was firm in the first scrum and then collapsed completely again.and things started to fo terribly wrong.    He was injured and sauntered off the park and replaced by Van der Linde,   Why Meyer picked this one to be in the squad really is a mistery - they should have picked Toks van der Linde - even now he would have done better.   Penalty followed penalty caused by the latter player and the Boks was in reverse all the time 

I must add - Meyer did one thing correctly - he replaced Alberts after he missed two rackles and brought on Coetzee.   If it was not for the massive defensive game of the latter - we most probably would have lost - he really was a troyan in defence.

Habana and Pietersen can make a lot happen - but they need some assistance from the 13 - good passing and running in attacking play - today there was zilch of that.   Today De Jongh got two balls in total.  The first one he knocked on - the second one he made 5 meters (slipping two attempted tackles) and then he made no attempt a pass to anyone and the ball died with him. 

Whatt instrucrions are given to Lambie about kicking pf the ball.   Today he was a carbon copy of Morne Steyn - the only difference is his goal kicking was more accurate.   I did not like what I saw in his case as well.  

 

 


sebastienchabal

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RE: We’ll take the win, says Heyneke
November 18, 2012, 06:47:59

Fortunately we got away with it. I cannot help sensing that there is something missing in HM's coaching technique. I have a certain amount of respect for Heyneke …one has too he has earned it in coaching the Bulls. However coaching an international side requires more skill. You have players from different provinces, different franchises and even overseas clubs coming together being thrown together where the pressure and prestige is huge. It must be a massive step up particular for the younger inexperienced guys at international level. Patrick Lambie was definitely not playing his natural game. One example was his kicking away possession senselessly, making an up and under in the Scottish half when their defence was @ sixes and sevens. This is foreign to Pat’s style. He has been unfairly criticized for this. The question I ask is why is he playing like this? Heyneke must not interfere and impede players like this. Please do not ruin this youngster and try to stereotype him into another Morne Steyn. Coaching style’s differ…some coaches are control freaks, others allow and encourage initiative whilst giving guidance and suggestion…in other words they mentor and build the team bringing out the best in them. Really good coaches are like hen’s teeth…Kitch Christie was one (so was Mac, he just was not given enough time…he did the ground work that Kitch inherited to be fair). Jake White was good eventually but it took time. Our old friend Snor inherited Jake’s work. That’s why the Boks did well initially. PDV was not a control freak…the older experienced boys just took over…PDV just put it in John Smit’s hands but it couldn’t last for ever. The older guys were kept in the side until they just ran out of steam…just like a good race horse doesn’t keep winning. Nick Mallet was a good coach but also a control freak…he destroyed an outstanding captain like Gary Teichman and substituted a very young Bobby Skinstad. This too was too soon for Bobby (I believe even Bobby’s dad said this). Teichman was a star and so was Skinstad…but these changes affected both their careers negatively as I believe they could have even been better. Of course Nick knows better today and is consequently an outstanding coach with great knowledge of the game…I’m sure he learnt a lot from this. Looking at France’s last 2 victories, something good is happening there…in the coaching scene. Lievremont also was a control freak and affected a very good Les Bleus side. But he dropped Michalak…I know Freddie had injuries at some stage but it is a fact that Lievremont and him did not gel. He castigated his players when they lost to Italy in a way it’s just not done. However they were in the world cup final and only lost by 1 point in NZ to the mighty AB’s. The AB’s were lucky Michalak was not in that team…one extra penalty could have created a state of emergency there with all respect to Richie McCaws team. HM is doing something wrong…he needs to be honest with himself there and put it right.


mozart

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RE: We’ll take the win, says Heyneke
November 18, 2012, 15:51:22

Alberts missed no tackles Mike....he did, however, concede 4 penalties.


clevermike

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RE: We’ll take the win, says Heyneke
November 18, 2012, 16:12:41

Mozart

I may be wrong as to the missed tackles - I though I saw one missed tackle and the other one a case where he was in a position to tackle - but never did.  I accept that I was wrong - but 4 penalties - plus the 3 of Van der Linde - is a bit thick - is it not?

In any event Coetzee did a massive amount of effective defending and he deserve credit for that.

 


mozart

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RE: We’ll take the win, says Heyneke
November 18, 2012, 16:25:39

Actually van der Linde also coneded 4 penalties. Eight from 2 forwards might have a lot to do with our momentum loss in the second half. Coetzee always has high tackling stats, but nothing much else. A prolific tackler is useful, particularly as an impact player for the Boks, who always seem to defend their way to victory. But to be a long term starter, he needs more strings to his bow.......energetic tackling is not enough.


Sharkbok

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RE: We’ll take the win, says Heyneke
November 18, 2012, 16:25:44

 Coetzee was immense when he came on. He is pushing hard for a starting place. Just not sure is he should replace Alberts or Vermuelen. Maybe Alberts who is only a carrier and tackler. Although is good to also bully the opposition at the start of the game with Alberts running full speed into them.


mozart

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RE: We’ll take the win, says Heyneke
November 18, 2012, 16:28:42

He was a starter, but was dropped because he wasn't effective against power packs. Our current set of loosies can only be weakened by Coetzee starting....Alberts followed by Coetzee for 20 minutes is better.


clevermike

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RE: We’ll take the win, says Heyneke
November 18, 2012, 16:42:37

Mozart the three I clearly noticed were collapsed scrums - in rertrospect and looking again I found the fourth one in a maul situation.   Thank you very much.   I think that 8 penalties may just finish off Van der Linde and could also lead to the dropping of Alberts - although I would prefer Alberts at lock.   To my mind he is really not a loosie - more like a lock - and he would definitely be an improvement on Kruger.  

 


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