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mozart

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Impartial ratings.
November 17, 2012, 19:59:07
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Player ratings: Bok brutality

Sat, 17 Nov 2012 14:13
Strauss and Louw the stars of the show
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The Springboks made it two from two on their end-of-year tour with a 21-10 win over a spirited Scotland side at Murrayfield on Saturday.

It was another step in the right direction for Heyneke Meyer’s charges whose inexperience showed as they crept back into their shell and defended their lead in the final quarter.

It won’t go down as a Springbok performance to remember nor was it a particularly sweet measure of revenge for the 2010 defeat, but it was another important step in the development of this Springbok squad.   

Quintin van Jaarsveld rates the Springbok players.

15 Zane Kirchner
While he did little wrong, he didn’t bring anything to the table and at Test level, one has to add value to earn your keep.
5.5/10

14 JP Pietersen

Made a statement with his aggressive defence. Hardly had an opportunity to stretch his legs on attack.
6/10

13 Juan de Jongh

With the little ball he got – one solitary attacking opportunity – he showed just what a difference an attacking midfielder brings to the table. He asked questions of the Scottish defence with his footwork and should have been brought into play much more often.     
6.5/10

12 Jean de Villiers

As he has matured, De Villiers has developed into a one-dimensional player which eliminates several attacking possibilities. As such, defenders know exactly what to expect from the Springbok skipper. With that in mind, De Villiers succeeded in crashing over the advantage line and giving the visitors go-forward ball and he was outstanding on defence.    
7.5/10

11 Francois Hougaard

Injected pace and created opportunities for his support runners with his good stepping. In hindsight, considering the Springboks’ attacking mentality, he would have been more effective starting at No.9.
6.5/10

10 Pat Lambie

The conditions and opposition were ideal for Lambie to weave his attacking brilliance. He failed to seize the opportunity as he took the ball to the line twice all game and his kicking out of hand was not up to standard.
5/10

9 Ruan Pienaar

Arguably his poorest Test as starting scrumhalf this year. Certainly in the first half the Springboks were intent on running the ball, and while his speed to the ball was satisfactory, he was simply a link to the backline. When he did kick he was off-target.  
6/10

8 Duane Vermeulen

His high workrate saw him make 13 tackles and frustrate the Scots at the breakdown. Will have to work on his ball-carrying though.  
7/10

7 Willem Alberts

An unstoppable force and reliable source on phase one/two ball and won ground on defence in the way he forced ball-carriers back with his brute strength.  
7.5/10

6 Francois Louw

Exceptional on the floor once again, making some key turnovers, and tireless on defence, with his 17 hits seeing him scoop the man of the match award.
8.5/10

5 Juandré Kruger

Flew under the radar but didn’t put a foot wrong all evening with four line-out takes and eight tackles.
7/10

4 Eben Etzebeth

A much better balanced game compared to last weekend. He was impressive once again in the line-outs but he also upped his workrate in the tight-loose and made some valuable contributions in this area of play. Carried the ball strongly as always.
7.5/10

3 Jannie du Plessis

One bad knock-on aside, Du Plessis had another solid outing and finally received a long overdo breather after 52 minutes.
7/10

2 Adriaan Strauss

Simply outstanding in all departments, Strauss produced a match-winning performance in the No.2 jersey. His line-out throwing was spot-on as per usual, he played a brilliant support role as spoiler at the breakdown and bagged a brace.
8.5/10

1 Gurthrö Steenkamp

Can’t fault his scrummaging but his tackling technique was sloppy and allowed runners to bounce off his.
6.5/10

Replacements:

16 Schalk Brits
(on for Strauss, 76th minute)
Not enough time to be rated.

17 Heinke van der Merwe (on for Steenkamp, 61st minute)
Not enough time to be rated.

18 CJ van der Linde (on for Du Plessis, 52nd minute)
Had an absolute mare at scrum time.
3/10

19 Flip van der Merwe
(on for Kruger, 68th minute)
Not enough time to be rated.

20 Marcell Coetzee (on for Alberts, 53rd minute)
Made a significant impact off the bench with his world-class work ethic and intensity.
7/10

21 Morné Steyn (on for Lambie, 73rd minute)
Not enough time to be rated.

22 Jaco Taute
Not used.

23 Lwazi Mvovo
Not used

Very different from ratings and impressions of others on this site.


Rugby107

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RE: Impartial ratings.
November 17, 2012, 20:17:54

 Cant say I agree with all of Quintin van Jaarsveldts ratings.

Especially he ratings of Dejong(asking questions?, he didn't get ball to ask questions),, Hougaard, Kruger. The rest are spot on

 


clevermike

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RE: Impartial ratings.
November 17, 2012, 21:25:53

De Jongh showed the following:-

*    First ball passed to him - he knocked on.   Made 5 meters in one break - for the rest he did zilch.   Made two tackles and missed one.   What a load of rubbish.   Are points awarded on what might have happened?????? No more than 4 points for him.

*   Some of the allocations are 2 to 3 points too high.   What did van der Linde do to get 3 points?   He gave away penalties like it is unbelievable - worth no points at all.    Or do you get 3. points for just being on the field of play?

*    Steenkamp was only slightly better than Van der Linde - only gave away two free kicks and one penallty.   He lasted 3 scrums and then started to scrum inwards and upwards -  his gut msut gave gotten in the way - was lucky the ref did not award penalties for that.   Then his scrummaging as expected collapsed.     I think he should get the three points awarded to Van der Linde - I was generous by giving him 4 points - 1 because of the fact he was on the field of play and three for the 3 scrums he was firm in.   


mozart

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RE: Impartial ratings.
November 17, 2012, 21:56:09

Mike you are begiining to rival the Swami.....always wrong, never uncertain


clevermike

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RE: Impartial ratings.
November 17, 2012, 23:12:06

I don't want to sound like Saffex.  Please telll me where I am wrong and look at what I said De Jongh achieved. First ball he got - he knocked on - right or wrong?  Second ball he got - he made a break beating 2 players - I said that initially in my assessment and I remain with that.   I saw him making only two tackles and missing one.   You said he made 7 - don't know where the other five came from.   Will watch the game again to see specifically whether I did miss some 5 of his tackles.  If I missed the 5 tackles I will find them when I look at the game again and will freely admit if I am wrong.

What about the other two players you strongly supported -Steenkamp and Van der Linde?   Why no comments on their performances?     


Saffex

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RE: Impartial ratings.
November 18, 2012, 23:06:34

The Steenkamp rating is a joke as is that crap about de Jongh. Kruger again was a non entity and once again missed a basic tackle - he is not up to test rugby - wake up Meyer


mozart

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RE: Impartial ratings.
November 18, 2012, 23:12:13

Juandre Kruger is a natural number 5 lock......your man Flip competes unfavourably with Etzebeth for the 4 lock slot. And as a substitute he is a penalty and card machine. Kruger is not for the long haul, but he is the best option at the moment.


Saffex

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RE: Impartial ratings.
November 18, 2012, 23:16:22

Shows how in tune you are with the players we have at our disposal and how much your line of thinking mirrors that of our clueless coach. Kruger the best option - BULLSHIT

Let me guess you thought Steenkamp did us proud


clevermike

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RE: Impartial ratings.
November 19, 2012, 01:05:21

Saffex

Mozart never said anyhing to say about Steenkamp and only sai elsewhere Van der Linde gave awat  four penalties,   No comment and no denial what I outlined above.   You must gave seen what Steenkamp did in the game - am I correct in what I said about his display?

I thought that the whole issue was typified by Steenkamps conduct when the whistle blew from halftime - he was so tired he walked slowly off the field - he wass the last player to leave the field.

I think he is unfit and that was the reason for his altogether dismal performance on Saturday.

I don't think Kruger actually contribute anything much as well.   The line-out balls were taken by Etzebeth and Vermeulen - Kruger at most caught one line-out ball.   Matter of fact I would play Alberts as lock on Saurday and play Coetzee as number 7 flank.

 


mozart

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RE: Impartial ratings.
November 19, 2012, 01:14:55

L Etzebeth 0/0 0 0/0/4 9 0 1 0 0 11/0 5/0 0 0/0
L Kruger 0/0 0 0/0/1 2 0 0 0 0 7/1 4/0 0 0/0

 

Etzebeth took 5 lineouts.....Kruger took 4. In effect swopping Kruger for Coetzee, who is a a tackler, nothing more, would simply weaken our pack. Alberts is no number 5 lock either.

 

Steenkamp had a few decent scrums, but eventually Murray got the better of him. If that was Kitshoff I doubt we would be talking about even a few good scrums.


Saffex

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RE: Impartial ratings.
November 19, 2012, 01:23:40

Kitshoff would have stood firm at scrum time and would have made the tackles and carried some ball. Steenkamp was an insult


clevermike

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RE: Impartial ratings.
November 19, 2012, 01:57:35

Mozart

I think the atats quoted allocate the balls caught by Vermeulen  to Kruger,   Steenkamp had  3 scrums that he stod firm.   Murray did not get the better of him - he was so gtossly unfit - he barely managed too form the scrum - leave alone do anything else.   I would imagine that Kitshoff would not have crumbled like he did after only three scrums.  Really bad selection that one. .


Saffex

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RE: Impartial ratings.
November 19, 2012, 02:00:58

Well one only need to watch club rugby up here to realise that there was no way in hell fat Steenkamp was up to test rugby and yesterday proved that in a big way. The selection of Steenkamp and CJ confirms just how out of touch Meyer is.


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