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Beeno1

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Deans has destroyed Wallaby Rugby says Campo
November 16, 2012, 09:22:35

Wallabies legend David Campese says coach Robbie Deans is responsible for Australia’s abysmal record and should be sacked.

The Wallabies won the 2011 Tri-Nations and finished third at the subsequent World Cup, but since Deans came to power in 2008 they have battled against the All Blacks and suffered some embarrassing defeats to the likes of Samoa and Scotland.

They most recently went down to France, and it was after this defeat that Campese let Deans have it.

‘Deans has destroyed Australian rugby and I want him to go,’ he told The Telegraph. ‘We’ve got a team at the moment that can’t catch and can’t pass. Wallaby teams in the past were never like this.

Anyone who knows anything about Australian rugby knows what it’s famous for loops, angles, switches, counter-attack, creative play. Where’s all that gone? We can’t even pass properly.’ (We used to call it Ozzie smarts - wha thas happend)

The Wallabies will play England at Twickenham this week, and will do so without two key players. Lock Rob Simmons has been suspended for a tip-tackle in last week’s Test, and centre Pat McCabe is the latest player to be added to a lengthy injury list.

But Campese feels that it is the game plan and poor ball skills that are at fault, and that Deans needs to be axed sooner rather than later.

‘I played for Australia and it’s clearly hard to go against them, especially when it’s against the Poms. But if Australia win, Deans stays. I just want him to go. He’s the worst thing that has ever happened to Australian rugby.

I just don’t know why we had to go and get a foreign coach when we’ve won two World Cups with our own coaches. Look at how Matt Giteau’s been treated. He’s sitting down there, playing in Toulon, 92 caps, finished with Test rugby, and all because the coach doesn’t like him. It’s an ego trip.’

Campese also feels that the players have not bought into Deans’s philosophy.

Just look at the body language of the players. It’s terrible. They’re not having fun, not enjoying themselves at all. There are lots of problems within the team.

‘You’ve got to go out and get people to want to come and watch you play. Ain’t happening with us, mate. The skill factor is so poor at the moment. Look at Pat McCabe in the centre. He’s not a good passer and he’s tipped to be the next captain.

I know there are injuries but even so. There are no big names there, no one to set the stadium alight. There’s something missing. There’s no fear factor about the Wallabies any more. And that’s a sad state of affairs.’

Despite Campese’s pleas for a new coach, Deans is likely to be at the helm when the Aussies host the British & Irish Lions in 2013.

Final judgement on Deans will come to pass when he has hi sfull squad back. One thinks back to the days of Gregan and larkham, Joe Roff . Burke etc etc the ozzie backs were on na par with nz.

I watched the game agains tfranc eand they could no tbreak dow the french defence - the flair wa sgone. perhaps its just tha tplayers like Quade, Digby, O' Connor, their scrummie etc are missing.  Their scrim was poor and they need to start with moore and also get Alexander back. Their pack i salso missing Horwill and higgenbottom. I though Samoa made a differnece when he came on.

One has to suspend judgement as this is a very weakened Oz side that the Boks put away easily at loftus but which did after all draw with the abs. But how good are the abs in any case? Nex tyear is the crunch for Deans. His young side has grown up an dhe must deleiver a bit more. With the abs on the skids he could win the Bledisloe cup and save his bacon?


clevermike

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RE: Deans has destroyed Wallaby Rugby says Campo
November 16, 2012, 10:29:31

If Deans gets fired - will recommend him strongly for our backline coach.


sasuke uchiha

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RE: Deans has destroyed Wallaby Rugby says Campo
November 16, 2012, 12:18:31

campese had a fantastic goose step, but was one of the biggest cowards on defence, wouldnt say that in front of my old man though, cos dad thought the sun shined out of campos ass.

but maybe campo should take a look at the wallabies game against samoa and matt giteaus form from 2009-2011, cos it was piss poor and if u were to blame that loss to samoa on any one player, then matt giteau would be that one and IMO that performance sealed his RWC nonselection fate.

but lets look at the pure and simple facts and put things into prespective,,,

wallabies were 5th on the IRB rankings when deans took over and for the majority of deans tenure, the wallabies have been 2nd.

wallabies (like the Boks) have only in their history won 3 TriNat titles from 16 attempts and deans is responsible for one of those rare trophies.

he has been the most successful coach of the wallabies against the Springboks who IMO have always been the 2nd best rugby nation in the world regardless of the IRB rankings failing to consistently show this.
he has 9 wins from 14 games over them, and is also the first wallabies coach to win on the south african highveldt.

2012 has been bad for austalian rugby in general, not just the wallabies, but they have had an injury run like no other, not even the Boks injury list compares to theirs, but despite that they finshed 2nd in the IRC, beat the 6nats grandslam champions in a whitewash 3-0 victory and ended the All Blacks chances of breaking the most consecutive wins record.

losing to likes of france is bad, but theres nom shame to losing to likes of them, same goes with the All Blacks, england, wales, ireland and the Boks.
the loss to scotland could be contributed to many factors like the fact they were forced to play 3 days after the spXV ended and 4 days before the 1st welsh test, ARU should have gotten a big kick in the ass for that IMO.

the wallabies record against the All Blacks is the only record that deans is in arrears with, he has beaten every other nation more times then he has lot to them and lets fac it,we all know that having the All Blacks beat u more times then not is a fact of rugby life for every test team out there, :oP
 


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RE: Deans has destroyed Wallaby Rugby says Campo
November 16, 2012, 13:02:56

Sure he has had alot of injuries this year to contend with, but previously he has lost to Scotland twice and Western Samoa in fact he has lost to 8 different International teams which is probably another record he can add to his many since he's been coaching. A 57% winning ratio is hardly acceptable for a top ranked side.  The All Blacks have only lost to 7 ever including World 15 and the Lions who Deans hasn't played.  His record against the All Blacks isn't just bad it's shocking especially when the two teams meet so often and play against each other in super 15 they should be well used to our style and players.  10 losses in a row another record.  His Tri Nations win was partly due to the All Blacks playing a second string team against South Africa with our focus on the world cup I guess one t/n title out of 5 including r/c is good? He has done well against the Springboks but did have a record loss to them 8-53.  It's not so much the losses though it's the way their losing.  He hasn't improved the scrum, it still costs them tests. The Aussie attack is ordinary even though apart from this year they have several x factor players in the backline.  If it wasn't for the individual brillance of Genia (who he plays into the ground every year) they would of had several more losses He has surrendered several halftime leads against the All Blacks where the All Blacks have changed their tactics at halftime while the Aussies havent responded. Their tactics of kicking the ball to Jane and co in the world cup semi final repeatedly were a joke. A match set up because they were well out played by Ireland in pool play who just held the Aussie ball carriers up all game while the Aussies just kept doing the same.  I have doubts when Umanga and McCaw two of our greatest have not been to complimentary of him in their books and they are not the only ones in fact Henry was going to resign after the 2007 loss but was encouraged by senior All Blacks to stand again what does that tell you. I bet many of our senior All Blacks today would of been long gone if Deans had been appointed as All Black coach.  I doubt Giteau and Cooper will be the only Aussies to come out as time go's on to. Watch this space. 


Beeno1

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RE: Deans has destroyed Wallaby Rugby says Campo
November 16, 2012, 13:22:40

So Dean's record at the crusaders was all hot air.

Allow me to explain matters ABNZ. Dean selected an extremely young OZ side with a plan to build from there. This year could have been a good one for him but he was badly rocked by injuries.

To me he should be assessed when his top players are back.


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RE: Deans has destroyed Wallaby Rugby says Campo
November 16, 2012, 14:45:43

I said from the start, Dean's coaching of the Sader's game wasn't going to work for Oz.  Australia's game was fast ball, avoiding, not seeking collisions and incredibly complex backline structures. That's all lost. The Aussie double wing attack.....the Joe Cool cut at maximum pace frpm the offside wing....when last did we see that kind of play.

 

This is going nowhere.


Beeno1

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RE: Deans has destroyed Wallaby Rugby says Campo
November 16, 2012, 15:07:46

The absence of Genia, Quade, Digby and O'Connor is a massive blow to their backline . Those are particularly creative players.


clevermike

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RE: Deans has destroyed Wallaby Rugby says Campo
November 16, 2012, 15:10:35

Mozart

I agree fully with you - the Aussie backline has deterirorated over the last three years, but that is due largely by the departure of key players like Larkham, Rolfe and Giteau.  They have not really succeeded in teplacing them - and performances were also hampered by injuty to their key players.  Cooper's goings on did not help them either.    

However, where I do believe Deans came short is forward coaching - never really a strong point of any New Zealand coaches.   They believe in the running forwards - not really making substantial use of anything in tight situations.   As long as locks can run like centers they are happy with their performances.   The All Blacks has a very good overall team and tight forward play has to some extent being off-set by looser forward play.  I really believe this is a problem - it was shown up in the Super 15 this year in particular and also by the many penalties they give away in tight play.. 

In the case of the Wallabies the running and looser forward pack did not work - I think in the tighhter situations  their forwards did not perform up to standard in Pretoria and against the French.   ThaI I believe is where both the Springboks and the French ultimately got the upper hand against them and that is where there can be serious question marks as to their coaching.

It was proved at his time with the Crusaders that he is a good New Zealamnd type of coach - and I still maintain I would like to see a guy like that being our backline coach.

 


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RE: Deans has destroyed Wallaby Rugby says Campo
November 17, 2012, 00:29:26

 His first task was to build a team for the 2011 W/C which he had four years to to.They had 2 very poor performances against Ireland and the All Blacks and were very lucky to beat the Spring Boks and easily could of exited at the quarter final stage. He had the majority of players available for this tournament. He has managed to stay 2nd in rankings because the All Blacks and the Spring Boks usually beat all the others while the home unions and france beat each other and Aussie are a bit of a bogie team for South Africa


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