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Sharkbok

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Boks: Must Duane Vermuelen show more?
November 13, 2012, 23:59:38

 

Boks: Must Duane show more?

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Cape Town - While not everybody’s cup of tea, the fact remains that next year established Springbok No 8 and known, occasional game-breaker Pierre Spies will return to contention for the national team.

The Bulls captain, who went past the 50-cap mark earlier this year, has been sidelined since August after surgery to a fractured finger joint but ought to be back at the helm of his franchise team when they open their 2013 Super Rugby account at home to the Stormers on February 22.

At 27, the notably muscular character has plenty of rugby left in him and the same obviously applies to Ryan Kankowski, the same-aged, strong-running tearaway who is scheduled to return from his faraway Japanese base with Toyota Verblitz to bolster the Sharks once more in the southern hemisphere competition next season.

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In their absence, Stormers/WP favourite Duane Vermeulen has had a timely (for him, anyway) extended opportunity to strut his stuff in Bok colours.

But it has been a thoroughly deserved gap for him to try to exploit: previously, wretched luck with pretty major injuries has thwarted his own quests to wear the green and gold despite his Super Rugby and Currie Cup form ahead of those personal mishaps certainly justifying his challenge.

Without Spies and Kankowski to worry about, Vermeulen, the meatiest unit of the three at 116kg, has had five successive starts for his country, beginning with the away Castle Rugby Championship Test against the Wallabies in Perth, where the Boks suc[removed]bed 26-19.

At that stage, Vermeulen was seriously undercooked: it was still unsatisfactorily soon after his return to first-class combat following surgery to damaged knee ligaments and initially - and inevitably - he seemed a little off the pace.

But the Nelspruit-born player has gradually clawed his way to greater prominence and productivity for the Boks, to the point that he looks reasonably entrenched in the position; it will be a bit of a surprise if he does not continue in the No 8 shirt against Scotland at Murrayfield.

Bok forward play at present, let’s face it, is close to the least of coach Heyneke Meyer’s worries, and part of that state of affairs is down to an increasingly settled and efficient loose trio comprising the particularly illuminating Francois Louw, plus Willem Alberts and Vermeulen.

But now the last-named player probably has two final opportunities in 2012 - Murrayfield and then the England challenge at Twickenham - to attempt to turn “reasonably entrenched” into “strongly” so before Messrs Spies and Kankowski rejoin the hunt for that jersey.

Vermeulen keeps scoring a solid but not quite sublime six or seven out of 10, if you like, for the Boks: his strengths have been decent physicality, an asset his coach tends to thoroughly approve of, alertness to turnover possibilities, decisive tackling and mauling, and all-round honest work-rate.

Traditionally an excellent lineout option for his Cape franchise, maybe this is an area the Boks could seek to engage him in to a greater extent than they already do, although Eben Etzebeth’s burgeoning strides as a front jumper - both on own and enemy throw - have been one good reason why Vermeulen’s skills in the department have not been too consistently required.

Spies, of course, is an undoubtedly world-class lineout player as well, although it is in some of the aforementioned responsibilities that fall into the “grunt” or “donkeywork” category where Vermeulen is arguably already outshining the more seasoned man from the Highveld, who is often justifiably accused of drifting in and out of high-stakes Test matches.

But where Spies retains a comfortable advantage is for athleticism and explosiveness off the mark: he is far likelier to be a link in either structured attacking plays or counter-attacking rampages from broken play, an area where Vermeulen (whisper it quietly, but especially post-knee injury?) tends to labour a little and cannot be placed in the same league as either Spies or the world’s premier and most rounded No 8 at present, New Zealand’s Kieran Read.

Against the reasonably limited Scots on Saturday, it would be a tonic to Vermeulen’s longer-term aspirations for South Africa if the Boks are able to build a nice head of early steam - something they glaringly failed to do in Dublin! - and then open the game up nicely, a phenomenon some of their long-suffering fans would welcome after the grim-spectacle fightback to pip Ireland.

Under those cir[removed]stances, there would be more of an onus, and opportunity, for Vermeulen to add some strings to his international bow by proving he can offer a splash of finesse, peripheral vision and deft off-load skills to accompany his fine industry in the trenches ... 


Sharkbok

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RE: Boks: Must Duane Vermuelen show more?
November 14, 2012, 00:10:43

 If KankowSki comes back into the mix next year then someone in the current backrow might have to make way.

Kankowski will bring more speed to the backrow, and also inter link the backs with the forwards. Our current backrow combination is the best the whole year and hence why it is not being changed. (Remember earlier in the year with Donkey Potgieter?)

On current form, Flow is the best loose forward and a specialist 6. It cant be Flouw. 

This leaves Albert and Vermuelen. Vermuelen also does allot of work in the tight and on the floor, as well as a solid carrier in the trenches. Although has done little ball carrying and no real strong runs in open play, although.

Alberts does nothing on the ground but is a strong ball carrier and excellant tackler.

I may opt for Vermuelen as the starting player and have Alberts on the bench to cover lock and 7/8. 

And then their is the favourite Bulls son- Spies. Good Show Pony. Good in the lineouts, Good at kick offs. Does nothing on the ground. Has some good games, others he is a spectator on the pitch. Made some good carries in the English tests. As a Bull though he is a strong candidate to get a starting spot.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Saffex

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RE: Boks: Must Duane Vermuelen show more?
November 14, 2012, 00:11:08

Vermeulen is good, but not the ultimate answer......nor is Louw and Alberts.

I prefer the likes of Coetzee, Kolisi, Elstadt, CJ Stander, Brussouw and Arno Botha......these are the players that should make up our loose trio


Boklogic

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RE: Boks: Must Duane Vermuelen show more?
November 14, 2012, 05:32:39

A girl, your team would get beaten every game..Louw has been a revelation thus far and Alberts one of our strongest ball carriers since he started with the Boks.

You also select Taute at 13 and Jordaan at 14? Jordaan is a much better centre than Taute. More pace, vision and the rest. Jordaan is the answer. Watch this space..Taute is a 15 at most at the moment.


Rugby107

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RE: Boks: Must Duane Vermuelen show more?
November 14, 2012, 08:39:59

Sharkbok


I agree 100% with you on Kanko. He changed his play this year. he used to be a show pony like Spies, but he really stepped up and has been physical. Just hope his time in Japan isnt going to make him soft. He also destroyed the bulls in the lineouts in the super comp.

I would like to see a Louw Alberts and Kanko combo with Coetzee off the bench.

 


Beeno1

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RE: Boks: Must Duane Vermuelen show more?
November 14, 2012, 08:43:56

Vermuelen might not be quite the same player he was before injury. He was reasonably quick and I recall him charging down the touchline at a good rate of knots. The same physicality and hard work is still there. Now whether this is because of the type of game he is required to play or whether he has lost pace is the question. Intitially one wondered if it was because of a lack of fitness but that should not be an issue now. Anyhow he is still adding considerable value so we shall see how he goes in the next two matches.

Snapster please!!! Louw has been outstanding!! Coetzee maybe played at 8 as I think he has genuine pace. Kolisi has to do a hell of a lot more more to convince me - he may do this but I want to see it first. He was battling at Super 15 level as the season wore on and noways is he ready for international rugby.

Elstadt and Stander are  seious contenders and I fear we could lose Stander to ireland. Would he accept a Bok call up given the cir[removed]stances. Arno Botha - well again he has more to prove and Brussouw needs to return to his form as at the begining of his test career.

The guy I think who has not been given credit is Deon Fourie. I hear with dismay that he intends moving back to hooker. To me he was the best number 6 in world rugby this year although I have to amit we did not see him at test level. He was very strong over the ball, huge work rate and a menace on attack where he speed was enough to see him competing with backs. Also an intelligent ball palyer. He could make an enormous difference even to the Boks - Move Louw to 7 and put Fourie at 6. Vermuelen at 8. Like to see that combo. Nice pace in the loose trio, power and two excellent fetchers.

Man Beeno surely has cracked it once again.  Its called thought leadership oaks. hahahahahahahahahaha

 


carpetmuncher

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RE: Boks: Must Duane Vermuelen show more?
November 14, 2012, 13:43:45

well louw play is normal for a fetcher not stellar sorry to say.

 

its nice to see @beeno you finally changed your mind on how a loose trio should look like. but playing 2 fetchers will be a nice idea but that will disrupt you ball carriers role. needless to say that is not a total overbalance of roles.

 

vermeulen is steady and does his bit. he might not be flash but in my view he gets the job done ask for more really


Beeno1

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RE: Boks: Must Duane Vermuelen show more?
November 14, 2012, 14:32:39

Not really ou munchou! I had in mind Burger, Vermuelen and Louw. Burger is not to bad on the ground as well.

However Burger will have to fight once more for his place so we shall see how he goes.

The point though is some folk are blinded by thinking Deon is a hooker and dont give him credit for what he has achieved against the best the Super 15 and Currie Cup have to offer. He is a lot stronger than Daniels and faster as well. 

How ou snapster can bleat on about Daniels and Kolisi  amazes me asa they are not able to play test level rugby asit stands right now. Fourie is a lot better than both. He is Brussouw at his best and perhaps even better given his speed. His best years are now so pick him!!! At the very least have him on the bench to cover 6 and 2!!!! 

The non selection of Deon Fourie and Jordaan were Meyers biggest selection errors in my opinion. Why pick Brits ahead of Fourie? Why pick 19 year ol Rhule ahead of Jordaan? 9 years old - that is  rediculous!!!!!!!!!!! I dont think Meyer wil lplay Rhule but Jordaan was ready I beleive to play for the Boks. Rhule needs a season or two more of super 15. Not denying he is a talent.


Saffex

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RE: Boks: Must Duane Vermuelen show more?
November 14, 2012, 14:59:53

No dimwit Beeno, Kolisi was one of the standout forwards throughout the S15, he had test player written all over him. Sadly Meyer was too stupid to recognise this, much like his calls on many players


mozart

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RE: Boks: Must Duane Vermuelen show more?
November 14, 2012, 15:24:46

Kolisi had "needs more experience but maybe wont make it at test level" written all over him. I refer you to Sharkbok's excellent exposition of the new player cycle.


sasuke uchiha

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RE: Boks: Must Duane Vermuelen show more?
November 14, 2012, 17:03:30

vermeulen is very similar to aaron cruden, both were the top in their postions during the spXV or in vermeulens case tied with kierean read, but havent really transferred those performances and skills to their respective national teams in 2012.

IMO  coetzee has been the Boks standout looseforward, but i still dont think hes an openside flanker, he plays way more like blindise IMO and bloody good one too.
 


Jalapeno!

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RE: Boks: Must Duane Vermuelen show more?
November 15, 2012, 09:03:14

Dwayne Vermuelen is v avergae & he tries to hard to be the hard man of any team he plays for but problem is he has no skills & hes just dirty. Flou is another donkey & hes only in the side cuz of his grandfather or great uncle or whover it is and JacPot is even worse! Meyer should pick the Sharks loosies who have real skill. Daniel/Alberts/Coetzee is the way to go.


Beeno1

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RE: Boks: Must Duane Vermuelen show more?
November 15, 2012, 09:48:05

Jallopy Louw has been the best Bok forward this season thus far.  Please get those loose bolts tightened you are sounding more like rooitwit each day! Hahahahahahaha

Vermuelen  is the real deal on the physical stakes and all one wants to see is some more pace  - ie like he had before being injured. Far better forward than ou spiesies! But we all hope ou spiesies recovers his mojo after his long rest. Still think he should debulk a bit and go back onto the wing.


chiproll

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RE: Boks: Must Duane Vermuelen show more?
November 15, 2012, 10:09:45

 JALAPENO

WE WILL GET RAPED WITH THAT 3, 2 OF THEM ARE GOOD THE OTHER 1 SO GOOD. COEETZEE IS GOOD BUT I LIKE HIM AS AN INPACT PLAYER AND ALSO ALBERTS. DANIEL IS NOT TEST RUGBY HE IS AN AVERIGE LOSSIE AS IT IS IN THE SR15 AND CC. THE BEST LOSSIES WE HAVE ARE KHOLISI(INJURED) BURGER(INJURED) COETZEE (BENCH) ALBERTS(START) LOUW (START) SPIES IS KAK AND VERMUELEN IS AVREGE BETER THAN DANIEL BUT AVREGE. 

LOSSIES FOR THEW FUTURE

6.BURGER

8.KHOLISI IF HE CAN MAKE AN AJUSTMENT 

7.LOUW 

BENCH 20. COETZEE 


dan dan

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RE: Boks: Must Duane Vermuelen show more?
November 15, 2012, 10:15:39

6. Louw                D.Fourie        Brusssow

7.Alberts              Coetzee         Kolisi/Elstadt

8.Vermuelen      Daniel            Stander/Botha

Hopefully Brussow find some of is old form once he is fully fit again!

Might even ove alberts to 8 and add Coetzee into the starting 15 

We need to discard players like Pierre Spies who does absolutely nothing but stand and look at the ruck instead on getting himself involved,he is big foor nothing!,and Kankowski who just runs sideways. 

Would like to see Fourie make the squad,he has worked hard and after only playing in the back row for one season of Super 15 and Currie Cup has already impressed and stole more ball than any player. Keep wondering how players like Jacques Potgieter and Kankowski get the nod ahead of the like of Fourie,Kolisi,Brussow and even Daniel.

 


chiproll

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RE: Boks: Must Duane Vermuelen show more?
November 15, 2012, 10:18:54

 I AGREE WITH THE SPIES AND KANKOWSKI. BUT DANIEL SOULD NOT GET THE NOD OF SPRINGBOKS


dan dan

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RE: Boks: Must Duane Vermuelen show more?
November 15, 2012, 10:45:06

Jalapeno!You say Louw is a donkey?Im sure i saw him make a try saving cross cover tackle on the weekend and he still managed to steal the ball in the process as the ref gave a penalty for holding on,he was the only forward that was anywhere near the ball on that movement,so if he is a donkey than what would you call Alberts and Vermuellen.

Without Louw our loosies would be doing a lot worse!


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