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Sharkbok

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The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
November 07, 2012, 17:10:39

 It seems his hospital passes will not be required for this weekend. Having started the year behind Morne, then getting pushes to 3rd place behind Goosen, now Lambie Leapfrogs into first position, with Morne now at 2nd position(in the absense of Goosen). 


Saffex

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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
November 07, 2012, 17:20:15

Its a poor selection playing useless Morne ahead of Jantjies off the bench


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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
November 07, 2012, 18:17:54

A girl

When will you realize that  Jantjies buggered up hopelessly in the Soweto test?   He has so many negatives to his game that I can write a book about it.   Has covered most of it in previous threads.   Just think about his conduct just before Aplon tackled him in the CC semi - he was so [removed] scared he dropped the ball on front of him.   Cast  your mind back a bit and look at the other WP - Lions CC game.   Ball kicked high and the WP players are coming.  Jantjes solution - forget about even trying to catch the ball - just hope WP does not score as a result.

Silky Hands' defence is indeed non-existent and in attack he stands even deeper in the pocket than the dreadful Morne Steyn.

Lastly - you must realize that there is the injury problem of De Villiers - if that recur Meyer will have to bring on somebody.   Silky Hands is no option - he would drop the balll the moment defenders are near him - so the hopeless Morne is the answer.   De Jongh  is an equally hopeless case.   Like in the CC semi - he would knock  balls on - hand over balls after being tackled and give away penalties,

Meyer deserves a thorough kick in the pants for selecting Silky Hands and  De Jongh for the Squad in the first instance.  


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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
November 07, 2012, 18:18:50

 To be honest....".Earl" Jantjies should not even be in the squad.

Sadly he is included to make the quota...as directed by government sport policy.


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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
November 07, 2012, 18:31:12

Arthur John

Nice desciptive nickname for Jantjies.   In some ways he is as bad as the dreadful Earl Rose - in other ways he is worse.

My friend A girl described  him as such and Sharkbok now went further.   My suggestion is lets call him SILKY HANDS  in future.   We will thus not detract further from Earl  Rose's dreadful contrbution to rugby and have the unique opportunity to find an appropriate nickname for this joke of a player.


Saffex

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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
November 07, 2012, 18:32:35

Blah blah blah re Jantjies. At least the kid is rugby player, has good hands, good feet and an eye for a gap. The only thing Morne has is a boot, no skill at all.

Jantjies is a class act and Mike you are delusional if you conclude that he failed against NZ - in fact you will find that every report on his performance against NZ was positive


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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
November 07, 2012, 20:09:51

A girl

Just one explanation required - why did his teammates refused to pass the ball to Silky Hands in  the  last 25 minutes of the Soweto test?  I believe it is because he buggered up badly earlier.   You can draw your own conclusions though 


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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
November 07, 2012, 20:36:57

That is possibly the biggest load of bull[removed] I have ever read regarding a test - do you honestly believe that at test level against the AB's players would choose not to pass to a certain player - you must be taking the piss


clevermike

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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
November 07, 2012, 21:44:51

A girl

Calm down my friend - calm down.   Go and view the second half of the Soweto test and see how many times the ball was in fact passed to Silky Hands and how mny times the ball was passed to other players - even to De Villiers directly.

Silky Hands was doing his normal earlier - standing way to deep in the pocket and passing hospital passes to recipients to avoid him being tackled while in possession of the ball .   Very clear in the plays and only the blind did not see that.   Even Sasue in a posting said he was surprised at  what happened.    


Saffex

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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
November 07, 2012, 22:12:22

What crap, if all Jantjies did was avoid contact and throw hospital passes, he would not be in the Bok squad and I would not be a fan of his. This kid is a class act, has more rugby flair than most our SA backs. He is going to kick some arse playing for the Stormers next season.


clevermike

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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
November 07, 2012, 22:23:52

A girl

Have you ever heard of quota selections?   See the comments of Arthur John above 

Let me add - I will lay a bet that Silky Hands will play for the Stormers for about 6 games and then put on the bench as a first step to phaze  him out.   The Stormers are wasting an awful amount of money on this one. 

 


Saffex

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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
November 07, 2012, 22:38:46

Yeah there are some quota selections made from time to time, Jantjies is not one of them, he is merit through and through.

I'd put my house on the fact that Jantjies will be a hit for the Stormers - he will  ignite their backs once and for all


clevermike

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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
November 08, 2012, 05:37:04

A girl

We always differ on Silky Hands - but I want to ask you a question,   How many times per game did  Silky Hands try exactly the same move that Catrakilis initiated in the case of the De Jongh try in the CC final and why is it never really successful in the case of Silky Hands?

There is a huge difference in the way Silky Hands did it and the way Catrakilis did it.   Silky Hands stood to deep in the pocket.   Silky Hands ran a few steps sideways and then passed back the ball to the player running at an angle.  Because it happened so far behind the gain line - the defence is easier than it was in the Catrakilis case and the recipient is normally tackled with ease by the opposition players.   The other difference is that  in the process Catrakilis was himself attacking the gain line and the pass was made during that process.   The defence virtually had no chance to form an effective defence against it. 

Furthermore In the case of Catrakilis it was a surprize move tried only once in the game - in the case of Silky Hands he tried it a number of times in evey game he played at flyhalf.   

I would not put my house on Silky Hands being successful in any attacking play.   I tend to agree with Stransky - when he said that Silky Hands plays according to a manufactured game plan - the above example supports what he said.  


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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
November 08, 2012, 08:44:09

Jantjies was not bad at all against NZ,much better then what Steyn was the whole year. The whole team imploded, JDV HABANA and TAUTE fell off crucial tackles, how this was Jantjies fault, I dont know.

Jantjies isnt the finished article but does deserve to be on the bench.


Sharkbok

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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
November 23, 2012, 23:59:24

 I woneder if Earl will get a run tomorrow. Probably only if Lambie is injured, or we get a strong lead on the scoreboard.


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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
November 24, 2012, 00:11:05

One smart thing Meyer has done is not to empty his benches. Recall Bok games that were seemingly in the record books, nearly lost because of the bench? Emptying the bench is a big part of the typical Bok heart attack last 5 minutes...now hopefully part of history.

 

As for Jantjies, he is Captain Confusion. Very occasionaly he may bamboozle the opponents more than his own team. But mostly it's our guys being crunched as they take his passes, or being hit in the face with a pass neither they, nor Jantjies, knew was coming a micro second before.

 

It's chaos when he plays.


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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
November 24, 2012, 01:07:39

Earl Jantjies? Jantjies additional playstyle is entirely different than Earl Rose in many ways. Theres no doubt that Jantjies is more versatile than Morne, his goal kicking has been more accurate as well so im not surprised at all hes ahead of Morne in terms of the selections. The negativity regarding Jantjies performances is absurd, the expectations and attention is way too high. When Jantjies plays exceptionally well its not mentioned at all its rather ignored here, lighten up.


clevermike

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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
November 24, 2012, 07:06:15

Lucid

I think that if I was in Meyer's position I would NEVER select Morne Steyn as a flyhalf - neither would I select Jantjies.   What  I said earlier about him is probably far too negative - but I think Jantjies has some real performance deficiencies and that it is coming through in crucial situations in matches.

He is poor in defence - a real problem since  he cannot successfully  tackle players running at him face-to-face,   He is weak under high balls when under pressure and he is playing way too far back in the porcket to be really efffective in attack.  He himself hardly ever attack the gain line. 

I am not sure what will happen in Super 15 next year.   He will have an excellent defence coach - which could help him to overcome the mentioned deficiency - but that may be hoping for too much.   He will not play in a weakish outfit like the Lions - but in a very formidable team - so will he succeed in that stronger team environment?   Only the Super 15 next year will be an answer to that.

I have my doubts about Jantjies and am frank in expressing them.   There are in fact way too many ne[removed]ives to make him to my mind a reliable flyhalf - but am open to change my mind if he performs in Supr 15 next year.    

  


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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
January 16, 2013, 03:05:14

With Peter Grant probably still in Japan at the start of the Season, and Timo Swiel to inexperienced it is likely that Jantjies will start at 10 for the Stormers. This is his big chance to prove his detractors right or wrong. I have seen some flashes of brilliance balanced with mediocority. Time will tell.....


Saffex

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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
January 16, 2013, 11:47:34

Mike you are out of touch with reality. Jantjies sorted out his defensive issues some time back - his defence has been damn good for some time now.

He remains one of our best attacking/creative flyhalves in SA and has a damn good boot on him. He will thrive for the Stormers this year and cement his place in the Bok squad


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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
January 16, 2013, 11:59:41

A girl

As recently as the Pretoria test an Aussie player ran straight over him and he was on his backside.   He showed no defnsive skills in the Sowet test so I am not sure that his defensive skills have improved.   In the Soweto test he stood deeper in the pocket than Morne Steyn ever did - so I am not sure about his attacking skills as well.

I hope he does show something better than what he did to date - whilst playing for the Stormers, but I am not optimistic at all.   As to him being a Springbok player I think that he would never make the grade.   I agree with Stranski - he has manufactured skills only and is not a natural - so he cannot really make the grade.


Saffex

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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
January 16, 2013, 12:41:15

I dont recall a single miss in any of those tests, so can't agree with you there. If Stransky said that Jantjies had manufactured skills he is one clueless fool and knowing Joel, I can't see that.

One thing you cant coach or manufacture is skills. Jantjies has a great feel and silky hands - that is not something you can coach.


clevermike

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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
January 16, 2013, 14:48:50

A girl

Joel Stranski did use the term "manufactured" to describe Jantjies performances as a flyhalf in a newspaper interiew and it was copied onto this site as a thread.

I must agree with Joel in this case.   I have seen no real originality in skills on the part of Jantjies - he played like a robot with some pre-programmed variations.   In essense he stands too far in the pocket to be really an effective pivot insofar as attacking play is concerned.   His goal kicking is excellent and his line kicking acceptable.   His strategic kicking is average to poor - normally way too far to be followed up effectively and leaving the field open for counter-attacks by the opposition. .

OK - lets deal with the defensive issue - since Jantjies was only on the field of play for five minutes in the Pretoria test.   Harris got the ball and Jantjies tried to tackle him - Harris went past him and was tackled by the next defender - while Jantjies sat on his backside after the effort.   You can really make an effort and watch that short episode on the relevant website and you will see that it really happened.

Incidentally - his missed tackle rate on average is 25% (according to stats) - way too high to be acceptable.     


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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
January 16, 2013, 16:15:16

Joel is a fool and Jantjies has sorted out his defensive issues, much like Quade Cooper did


clevermike

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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
January 16, 2013, 18:12:53

A girl

This really is bombastic - my friend.   If somebody does not agree with you - that person is a fool - even if that person was a top class flyhalf for years and he knows better than us about flyhalf play requirements.  

There is NO EVIDENCE that Jantjies' defence improved at all during the past year.   That missed tackle evidence was from games this year - so how come he has improved?   Incidentally he played for 50 minutes in the Soweto test and then in two curry cup game since the Pretoria test and there was no real evidence in that games that he did improve his defensive play.      


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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
January 16, 2013, 18:26:41

Nothing bombastic about that at all. I dont care at what level Joel played for that does not entitle him to conclude that Jantjies skills are manufactured when it is clear that its instinctive. If Joel did say this then he is a bloody fool.

As for his defence, its a given fact that it improved markedlyl last year and one or two missed tackles dont define a player for crying out loud. Provide stats that confirm he missed as many tackles as you claim in 2012. I dispute it.

Hell Bismark missed Etzebeth, Schalk missed Lambie - does that make these two players poor defenders.

When it comes to Jantjies, you speak a load of crap and I'm going to enjoy rubbing your nose in it this year


clevermike

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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
January 16, 2013, 18:45:12

A girl

There is only one other f'ly half that played a similar game to Jantjies and stood as deep in the pocket as Jantjies does and that is Morne Steyn.   Morne is a better defender than Jantjies - but his goalkicking this year left him in the lurch.   Strategic kicking of both are really aimless and line-kicking on par.   Both are unacceptable as Springbok flyhalfs  and both are NOT instinctive players.   Those are the real facts of life - the only difference is that Steyn would get a highly paid foreign contract - the best Jantjies will be to get will be a contract with a second level team and that only if he is extremely lucky.

If I want a dud as a flyhalf - my preference will be for Morne Steyn - not Earl "Silky Hands" Jantjies - the replica of Earl Rose.   I am not in the least worried about my nose being rubbed in it - I believe it will be the other way around.   However, it will be interesting to see how Silky Hands performs - so we will in just over six weeks have lomng debates on that one.   Believe me I will look at real performance and give credit where credit is due - but also not cover up flops and poor play and find flimsy excuses for it.  


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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
January 16, 2013, 19:19:11

Mike you clearly know stuff all - I give up. My 15 year old has more rugby knowledge than you - I seriously give up - cheers and good luck


Sharkbok

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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
February 22, 2013, 22:58:19

 Well Silky hands could maybe be renamed to the unreliable boot of Jantjies


mozart

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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
February 22, 2013, 23:32:02

Captain Confusion. By the way Sharkbok, how did you get this string back?


Sharkbok

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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
February 23, 2013, 02:33:11

 Mozart I searched in Google for the Silky hands of Earl Jantjes. If I remember the title of a post typically it is still in Googles index


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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
February 23, 2013, 03:32:21

 Nice move!


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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
February 23, 2013, 05:36:59

Mozart

I remember starting this thread and saying that Earl Silky Hands Jantjies was a bad investment by the Stormers.

Going through what was said about the following issues one has to look at the issue about his game in general - and all the negatives I pointed out was clearly confirmed yesterday.   Th only positive thing I said was he was a good goalkicker - with misses when he was under pressure.   Yesterday he was not - but he missed all his kicks at goal.  

I must admit that I am really sorry for A girl - in his arguments he said he would put his house on it that Silky Hands will succeed as the Stormer flyhalf because he is a "class act"   Will A girl take note of what I said about Jantjies as a player?   I doubt it very much. 

I originally said that Jantjies will be phased out by the Stormers before the end of March 2013.   After yesterday I say he will get at most two more chances and will then be sent back to  the Lions.     

        


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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
February 23, 2013, 21:08:15

 If Demitri played for the Stormers last night, we most probably would have won. Can't believe they let him go and is paying way more for Jantjies. STUUUUUPIIIIDDDD!!!


Sharkbok

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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
March 31, 2013, 19:18:31

 Well Silky hands was terribale against the Crusaders- his knock ons and general lack of position play was terribale


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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
March 31, 2013, 20:20:04

Actually it's damn concerning. Grant injured. Demitri playing silly buggers with the Kings. And Jantjies looking like he might totally implode at any moment.


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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
March 31, 2013, 21:02:09

Sharkbok and Mozart

lets think about it again.   He was trrile int eh Soweto test - so much so that his eammates ihnored him and did not pass ba;;s to him for the last 25 minutes of the game.   Indications of implosion iu evidence.

That was followed by two shocking displays against the Bulls and the Sharks in Super 15.  Coetzee tuck with him and selected him for games 3 and 4 where he made some flash in the pan good plays - but I qwarned repeatedly that there are too many mistakes made by him and some members of this sight wnet into fits of fury - because hje was very good.

Then followed the game yesterday and he showed the real Janthies again.  Silky Hands - can he be any worse than he was yesterday.    Everything in the world is possible - but to be worse than he was could hardly be imagined.   

A girl - are you happy about Earl Silky Hands Jantjies or is it another game where "things like this happen in matches"?


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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
March 31, 2013, 22:27:30

The Slippery hands more like it...don't understand how he got this name...no quality at all...a real joke...sorry a good player for a club side or the spare Currie cup but no further,,,certainly not international level.


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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
March 31, 2013, 22:47:52

Blah blah blah re Jantjies. At least the kid is rugby player, has good hands, good feet and an eye for a gap. The only thing Morne has is a boot, no skill at all.

My 15 year old has more rugby knowledge than you - I seriously give up - cheers and good luck

If Stransky said that Jantjies had manufactured skills he is one clueless fool and knowing Joel, I can't see that.

Never heard such a load of [removed]...do not believe you are a lawyer...no intelligent person would consult you for advice...I've met Joel...I also went to the same school...so what...I know that making the most important drop in rugby does not make you a fundi in rugby but some patronising that you seem to give is very suspect...you seem confused...some of your comments are rational and good but this is just plain bull[removed].


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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
April 01, 2013, 03:01:04

Seb

LOL - you summarized Safex'a ravings about Jantjies precisely.   Nice one that.

 

 

 


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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
April 01, 2013, 20:36:50

 Where is Timo Swiel? Is it not time to bring him in at flyhlaf than play Duvunge at 10 instead of the Slippery hands of Jantjies


Sharkbok

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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
June 02, 2013, 17:53:54

 so Silky hands has been dropped from the Springbok squad. 

Roumour has it he is going back to the Lions next year regardless of whether they are in the SuperXV or not


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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
June 02, 2013, 18:35:17

Sharkbok

Would not be surprised if after completion of Super 15 see Jantjies moving back to the Lions,   The Stormers paid a small fortune to get his services and he has been poor most of the season - he was poor again yesterday.   A very expensive contract that did not produce results at all.  

However, Swiel has vanished from the radar screen - for all I know he may be in England - but is never in the media here.   Somebody else could perhaps give us some news anout that one - I would also like to know..  

 

 


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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
June 02, 2013, 19:29:04

Trust A girl watched the game on TV and not the "Jantjies" crystal ball on Saturday

If anyone still thinks that he is Springbok material then you are very mistaken...I'm afraid.


Sharkbok

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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
October 20, 2013, 01:28:57
Some more silky passes by Jantjies today that found no one. 
One of them was perhaps the worst pass I have ever seen.
It was a no look pass where, it just dropped and rolled along the floor behind everyone, a joke


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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
October 20, 2013, 04:40:22

Sharkbok

 

How do you manage to recover this very old item I started about five months ago? 

 

Anyway - you are 100% correct about yesterdays game.  He showed nothing and was a real embarrassment throughout the game.  Not that he was under constant pressure of the opposition - he was not because other than Vermeulen, the WP loosies are not known as top tacklers in any competition.

 

Jantjies play yesterday was planless and clueless - so back to what he did throughout Super 15 this year.   A girl always made a statement that the Stormers somehow did not allow him to express himself and suppressed his natural talents.   I failed to see how that statement can be justified - yesterday proved clearly that the Stormers did not do it - or did the Lions take the same restrictive "measures" yesterday?

 

Problem is we have a player here who showed some promise in Under 20 performances - but those were not enhanced and developed further on senior level - making him a really questionable player on higher level - not a player suitable for selection to the Springbok squad and a questionable selection on Super 15 level.  It is likely that in Super 15 next year he will be more of a bench player for the Lions tan actually in the starting line up.

 

It will take A girl another year or so to find out that he was chasing a pipe dream in this case.    


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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
March 22, 2014, 17:15:54
 The Lions are looking great without Edward Sissor hands


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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
March 22, 2014, 17:37:46
Boschoff is a far superior player as een ou snapster will one day realise.

How do you pull up these old threads. Spill the beans Sharkbok!


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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
March 22, 2014, 21:27:57
My post has been [removed] and my account has been suspended.


Sharkbok

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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
May 20, 2014, 02:04:47
So Silky hands has been omitted from the Springbok and replaced with Boshoff. He must be pissed- for he loses his starting spots at the Lions to the player that is now in the bok squad.


Arthur John

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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
May 20, 2014, 17:06:17
 I wonder who was the lucky one who got the house that A girl put up here as per his blog (Nov 7th, 2012 - 22:38:46) about Jantjies going to be a "STAR" with the Stormers.

????????

Talk about average!


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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
May 20, 2014, 19:11:16
 :D:D:D:D:D:D:D


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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
May 22, 2014, 19:07:39
 [removed] and suspended....Dont make me laugh.This site couldn't keep flies from n turd if it tried.Bwahahahahahahahahahaha.


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RE: The Silky hands of Earl Jantjies
May 22, 2014, 19:20:06
 This must be a record for this site.  I started calling Jantjies Earl Silky Hands previous to the thread and Sharkbok started this thread with that nickname in mind in November 2012.   I maintained my standpoint that the Stormers made a huge blunder in contracting Jantjies.   

At this stage he is lucky to be on the bench for the Lions and Meyer must have recognized that by calling up Boshoff for the squad training programme.  If A girl is not headstrong he should by now realize he is flogging a dead horse.  :D:D:D:D     


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