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Sharkbok

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Brian Mujati lined up as ‘Player 32’ in Bok squad
November 04, 2012, 01:49:34

 

 

Brian Mujati lined up as ‘Player 32’ in Bok squad

 
Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer addresses members of the media at a Springbok planning camp in Cape Town on 3 May 2012. Picture: Aletta Gardner/EWN
 
Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer addresses members of the media at a Springbok planning camp in Cape Town on 3 May 2012. Picture: Aletta Gardner/EWN
 
 

Jean Smyth | 14 hours ago
CAPE TOWN - With Bok coach Heyneke Meyer yet to confirm who the 32nd and final member of his touring squad for their tour of Ireland, Scotland and England, EWN Sport understands the player that he is looking to bring into his squad is Northampton Saints tighthead prop Brian Mujati.

While Mujati has played 12 Tests for the Springboks in 2008, current eligibility rules extended to selection for the national team precludes him from being picked as he is not a South African passport holder and is a Zimbabwean citizen.

Since his move from Western Province to the Saints in 2009, he has become one of the best tighthead props in Europe and along with incumbent Jannie du Plessis, would provide a potent option for the Springboks in the future.

It is exactly that form that appears to have prompted Meyer to once again explore the possibility of him re-igniting his Springbok career. Previous coach Peter de Villiers also looked at picking him ahead of the Rugby World Cup in 2011 but was unable to do so.

The South African Rugby Union (Saru)were not able to confirm to EWN Sport as to whether team management had asked them to re-investigate whether Mujati would now be available, or indeed if they were looking at re-visiting the situation with the relevant government authorities.

When EWN Sport contacted the CEO of Northampton, Allan Robson, he was not able to shed any light on the matter, saying no direct contact had yet been made with the club - but that it was possible the player had been approached directly.

Earlier in the week, Meyer said in a press conference that they were talking to the “club” of the 32nd player about a possible selection.

If Meyer is not able to select Mujati, Western Province tighthead Frans Malherbe - who was flown out at short notice for the Rugby Championship game in New Zealand - is likely fill the last place in the squad.

Toulouse prop Gurthro Steenkamp, who was a substitute in Toulouse’s 32-13 win over Racing Metro in the France Top 14 on Thursday, flew to Paris on Friday to sort out his United Kingdom visa for the trip. He will first be cleared by his own medical staff at the French club, before reporting for Springbok duty in Dublin.

The prop situation is clearly one of concern for Meyer.  Incumbent tighthead du Plessis did not link up with the squad in Cape Town ahead of the trip, as he was given the week off to rest by Meyer, after a monumental workload in 2012 already.

With only 5 props selected in the tour group - Pat Cilliers, Tendai Mtawarira, CJ van der Linde, Steenkamp and du Plessis - it stands to reason that Meyer will be looking for one other.

On this tour, match-day squads will consist of 23 players, with a full replacement front row on the bench to prevent the game going to uncontested scrums.  

Should the Boks undergo a real crisis on their arrival in Dublin, they could call on the immediate likes of BJ Botha, Wian du Preez and Heinke van der Merwe - who are Springboks and currently plying their trade in Ireland


clevermike

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RE: Brian Mujati lined up as ‘Player 32’ in Bok squad
November 04, 2012, 09:36:26

Sharkbok

Meyer has a problem here - Mujati is not an SA Citizen and he cannot qualify at all at this stage - he is more likely to qualify for British  citizenship than South African.    That rules him out of contention.

Meyer made a huge mess with his prop selection.   Steenkamp is a joke in bad taste and Van der Linde is over the hill.  Cilliers is poor as well.   Of the two mentioned Heinke is a strong scrummager and may be the pick.   There is a rumour that Meyer may call up Malherbe - he did so in the past and is likely to do that again.      


Saffex

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RE: Brian Mujati lined up as ‘Player 32’ in Bok squad
November 04, 2012, 12:23:03

About time Meyer made a good call - his other only good call was the inclusion of Brits. Mujati is the man, what a scrummager this lad is.......watched him destroy the Sarries frontrow last weekend. That frontrow included Matt Stevens and John Smit


JeromeV

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RE: Brian Mujati lined up as ‘Player 32’ in Bok squad
November 04, 2012, 14:05:48

Good call by Meyer, Mujati is impressive at Northamptons. It would be great to have him back.


mozart

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RE: Brian Mujati lined up as ‘Player 32’ in Bok squad
November 04, 2012, 18:23:27

Great to have Mujati back.....with his family history and antipathy towards South African players? I think not.


clevermike

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RE: Brian Mujati lined up as ‘Player 32’ in Bok squad
November 04, 2012, 18:38:23

Mozart

I do not think this is anything - but a newspaper story in a period of lack of news on Rugby issues.   At the time when Mujati played for the Springboks previously - there was no citizen requirement in place - the IRB now requires that a player can only represent a country if he is a citizen of that country.

Mujati is as far as I am aware not a citizen of South Africa - he is a Zimbabwean.   Meyer no doubt tried to find out whether he would be eligible to play for SA - but I think he drew a blank.   The Club apparently does not even know that he be asked to join the Springbok team  so I do not think it would materialize.

  

 

  


BonganiP

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RE: Brian Mujati lined up as ‘Player 32’ in Bok squad
November 04, 2012, 20:04:00

Not quite true Maaik. It is not the IRB. It is the SA govt. Josh Strauss can play for Scotland in three years. Richardt Struass has only been playing for Leinster since 2009 and has now qualified to play for Ireland.


Saffex

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RE: Brian Mujati lined up as ‘Player 32’ in Bok squad
November 04, 2012, 20:57:15

Ah yeah lets punish the son for the sins of the father, how pathetic. Hope we see Mujati playing for the Boks next week. Bring the Moooj on. The Sharks shout Beast, the Saints shout Moooj


clevermike

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RE: Brian Mujati lined up as ‘Player 32’ in Bok squad
November 04, 2012, 22:42:23

Bongani

Sorry - but I differ from you here.

The IRB intorduced stricter controls to stop poaching of players by countries - that is definitely a fact.   That is why there was such a fuss recently about the Beast - his citizenship application was in fact fast-tracked so as to allow for him to continue playing for the Springboks - othewise he would not have been allowed to play any further matches for the Springboks.   The Government has nothing to do with this one - it is an IRB reqyurwment.

It only applies to the National Teams.   Any p[layer can on lower level play for any team in the World - as is the case you mentioned.   There is one further condition though - if a player has played for the Bational team - he cannot play for the national team of another country. without a lapse of three years.   That is not applicable in the case of Josh Strauss - the three year period applicable in that case is normally equated with applicayion for citizenship - nothing else.

 


BonganiP

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RE: Brian Mujati lined up as ‘Player 32’ in Bok squad
November 04, 2012, 22:55:36

How do you explain the fact that Josh Strauss will be able to play for Scotland in three years? Go check if there is any way that you can get UK citizenship in less than five years.

 

8.1 Subject to Regulation 8.2, a Player may only play for the senior fifteen-aside
National Representative Team, the next senior fifteen-a-side National
Representative Team and the senior National Representative Sevens Team
of the Union of the country in which:
(a) he was born; or
(b) one parent or grandparent was born; or
(c)
he has completed thirty six consecutive months of Residence immediately preceding the time of playing.

 

www.fira-aer-rugby.com/upload/file/1287399004_gfirbregulation8_883.PDF

 

There you go. It mentions residence. Nothing about citizenship.

 

 


BonganiP

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RE: Brian Mujati lined up as ‘Player 32’ in Bok squad
November 04, 2012, 23:22:29

Nou Notsoclever Maaik. I have actually just read your post again. You have a number of slip-ups in there.

 

It was definitely the SA Govt who said the Beast has to get his passport sorted out first.

 

Mtawarira made his Springboks debut last year, supposedly gaining eligibility through residency criteria, and was a key figure in his side's victory over the British and Irish Lions earlier this year. He is currently in France with the Springboks and due to feature in tonight's Test against Les Bleus.

But South Africa's sports ministry this week issued a statement questioning the South African Rugby Union's decision to play him as he is not a citizen of the country. SARU did not comment on the situation, instead quoting their own statement from last week that said Mtawarira had been cleared to tour following discussions with the ministry.

The ministry's statement read: "We must state up front our admiration for the gifted Zimbabwean prop forward. He is a live wire on the rugby field. But just like he must obey the rules of rugby on the field, he must comply with the laws of South Africa in life here on our land, like all of us.

www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/nov/13/south-africa-tendai-mtawarira

 

On the Josh Strauss issue, you said:

It only applies to the National Teams.   Any p[layer can on lower level play for any team in the World - as is the case you mentioned.   There is one further condition though - if a player has played for the Bational team - he cannot play for the national team of another country. without a lapse of three years.   That is not applicable in the case of Josh Strauss - the three year period applicable in that case is normally equated with applicayion for citizenship - nothing else.

 

I do not really get what you are saying, but it appears as though you do not consider Scotland a National team. Correct? The three year period story that "is normally equated with application for citizenship" is not going to fly in Scotland. The general rule for citizenship in the UK is that you have to complete five years on a visa before you can get Indefinite Leave to Remain, i.e. permanent residence. you can only obtain British Citizenship ince you have been on Indefinite leave to Remain for at least twelve months. This would mean that it boils down to six years for citizenship. There are grounds for fast-tracked Indefinte Leave to Remain, but Josh's circumstances are unlikely to qualify for that.


clevermike

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RE: Brian Mujati lined up as ‘Player 32’ in Bok squad
November 05, 2012, 01:00:54

Bongani

Thanks for the info I mixed up the first two issues with citizenship.   However, I doubt very much if Mujati meets the

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bongani

Thanks for the info - I mixed up the first two requirments and admit that citizenship is not a requirement.   However, I still doubt very much whether Mujati meets any of the three requirements.   He was borne in Zimbabwe and he does not have the second requirement.  The third one is a problem - he has been playing rugby in England for the past three years and cannot be regarded as being in residence in SA.  To my mind he would not qualify to play for SA under the circumstances - I think the IRB would not relax their rules on that one.     

 

 

 

 

 

 


BonganiP

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RE: Brian Mujati lined up as ‘Player 32’ in Bok squad
November 05, 2012, 01:13:15

The only national side that Mujati can play for is SA, because he has already represented SA. Therefore he cannot represent any other country, ever. If I am not mistaken, that part is covered by regulation 8.2, the one following the one that I quoted above.

 

Only problem is that since he last played for SA, the SA govt has suddenly decided that he needs to be a citizen. The irony is that there was no such law when thye decided to jump on Beast's back. In fact, I doubt if there is even such a law at the moment.  So, in essence, it is only the SA govt, who would be standing in Mujati's way.


carpetmuncher

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RE: Brian Mujati lined up as ‘Player 32’ in Bok squad
November 05, 2012, 07:31:50

i really do feel mujati can add some value to the team but lets hope they sort out the admin issues


Beeno1

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RE: Brian Mujati lined up as ‘Player 32’ in Bok squad
November 05, 2012, 09:18:04

Given his terrible family deeds I do wonder how he will be received.


carpetmuncher

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RE: Brian Mujati lined up as ‘Player 32’ in Bok squad
November 05, 2012, 10:45:51

i agree beeno but as a rugby player he can at least add some value and help get the goverment off saru's back trying to force the concept of forced transformation on the rugby public.


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