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Beeno1

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It was good fo rSA rugby that WP won Currie Cup
November 02, 2012, 13:18:19

So says Gavin Rich

So the Currie Cup won’t be spending Christmas in Durban after all! I am writing this from King Shaka International Airport on Monday morning and according to the staff here the old trophy was spotted being transported through here by Allister Coetzee and his mob 24 hours ago, and they were heading for Cape Town.

It’s been a long time since this airport has seen a happy rugby-orientated Capetonian, but apparently the scenes here on Sunday made up for it. So miracles do happen, Currie Cup finals continue to produce astounding upsets, and the Durban vervet monkeys are nervous about the newcomers that were slung from the backs of the WP players at about 7pm on Saturday evening. Instead of accumulating rust in the KZN humidity, the Currie Cup is going to be buffeted by the Cape South Easter.

As I wrote beforehand, I wanted the Sharks to win on the basis that they were the most consistent Currie Cup team, and they topped the log whereas WP only finished third in a six team competition. I would still argue that on that basis Province aren’t the top team – they’ve actually lost four in six against the Sharks this year – but they produced when it mattered and, in the end, like was the case when the Sharks won in Cape Town in August, that is all that matters.

There was no denying that WP were the better team in the final, and what was astounding was that it was by quite some distance. They were certainly better than a seven point victory and by the end it was impossible not to get in behind them and share their joy at a remarkable triumph. Remember this was an under-strength Province side because of injuries, while the Sharks were much closer to Super Rugby muster.

Full marks to Coetzee and his staff for learning from mistakes made in playoff games in the past, and the youth culture at WP is certainly reaping dividends.

The result was a good one for South African rugby in the sense that finally winning a trophy after 11 years should get the WP administrators off the backs of the coaches and support staff, and the country does need Province to be strong. Had this win happened here in 2010, the real architect of the WP resurgence to a union that consistently challenges for trophies, Rassie Erasmus, would still be in charge. The win only makes the mind boggle even more that WP allowed Erasmus to leave. (The MIND DOES BOGGLE as it does re MALLET - please note this comment oaks who give all the credit to Coetzee)

But while WP are right to be joyful, I am not sure the Sharks should feel too upset about it all. They remain the better bet for Super Rugby success next year. They have the depth, and maybe the loss in the final was a good thing for them. It’s not as if they haven’t won the Currie Cup recently, and with no monkeys anywhere near their backs, the defeat in the domestic decider was no train smash.(They have depth but so to the Stormers - perhaps more so?)

They have managed to get out of the Currie Cup what should be intended, which is the development of awesome depth by bringing in newcomers, and while some of those players, such as Cobus Reinach, might have let the coach down on the big day, they would have learned from the experience.

And the stalwarts in the team should see the unexpected loss as a wake-up call.

If there is one thing holding the Sharks back it is their tendency to lose big games to teams they should beat easily. WP triumphed at Kings Park through a sheer refusal to lose and it is clear the players play for one another. But the Sharks, given the talent at their disposal, should have won, just as they should have beaten the Lions in a crucial Super Rugby match back in June.

That game stymied their quest for the conference trophy, the one that the Stormers eventually won, and as Coetzee said at the post-match press conference, the fact his men have now followed the conference trophy up with the Currie Cup title earns them the right to be recognised as South Africa’s champion team. No-one should argue with that. (HOOR HOOR HOOR but some cads will dispute this I have no doubt)

Remember too that the Vodacom Cup is also locked away in the WP trophy cabinet, and the national under-19 trophy too. With respect to the Bulls under-21s, who played really well in their final, their trophy might also be in the Cape were it not for the number of under-21 players who were on senior duty. ( I love journalists who ge ttheir facts right and understand context eg the comment re the under 21 final)

But Super Rugby is what the two top South African teams – the Bulls have a lot of work to do before they can be considered to be part of the challenge – need to be focusing on now, and if Saturday’s defeat wipes away any possible complacency that might have developed, the result was a good one for the Sharks and South Africa.

They get Frans Steyn, Ryan Kankowski and Bismarck du Plessis back next year, and that middle name was sorely missed in the area that was their Achilles heel, the lineouts.

Perhaps after backing the wrong horse this last weekend I should refrain from making bold predictions, but airports have never been good for my wisdom, so let me say that I stick to the line I took after the Super Rugby final in Hamilton three months ago – the Sharks will win Super Rugby next year. (Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha - Gavin please join SA Rugby.com and w ewill explain all this to you) 

Pretty good article but goes wrong in not realising what a great squad the Stormers have. Probably has no clue about this.

Brycy and sitting bulle should note that no one is tipping the wee chiefies!!  Enjoy the title while you can till it heads to to the land of rugby - SA!!


 

 


Brycy

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RE: It was good fo rSA rugby that WP won Currie Cup
November 03, 2012, 05:26:04

Bean Brain, no one tipped the Chiefs this year except the people that knew better...All year it was no the Chiefs won't win LMAO...How's that egg removal coming along my friend...Just ask Brycy and sitting bull if you need any Super XV tips as it will save you a whole lot of heartache and cut down on yr doctors fees in the future...Brycy showing he cares about the state of yr mental health and yr fellow scarred for life Stormer supporters like Denny and Boklogshit...


Beeno1

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RE: It was good fo rSA rugby that WP won Currie Cup
November 03, 2012, 09:15:20

Brycy allow me to give you some perspective here. As an admitttedly one eyed supporter of the wee chiefies you predict every year they will win!!!  So nothing remarkable in your prediction as at some time the chiefs were bound to win as is the case with all the other ideas if this comp continues long enough.

Now as for our mental health well brycy things have no been this good for some time. Top of the super 15 log - the real winners of the super 15, SA Conference winners, Currie up winners, Vodacom cup winners, Under 19 winners. would have been under 21 winners as well but for 6 under 21 players being in the senior side.

Does it get better than this?

Bwahahahahahahahhahahahahaahahahaha thanks or your concern brycy but we are all hail and hearty here.

Brycy my advice is that you enjoy the trophy you got re super 15 as your tenure will most likely be brief. 


clevermike

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RE: It was good fo rSA rugby that WP won Currie Cup
November 03, 2012, 09:43:34

Beeno

There is perhaps one lesson to learn from the whole match and that is - when Province needed them to show their value - the youngsters in the team stood up to be counted.    They ulltimayely overshadaowed the Shrks forwards - and although Mozart credited the whole win to the try by De Jongh and conyinuously try to discredit the young forwards - that is really where the battle was ultimately won.

That ois one of the main reasons why I was so disheartened by Meyer's squad selection - he prefer has-beens and neverbeens to performing players.

I believe the team can be strengthened by the possible return from injury by Burger (?), Bekker and Elstadt and by sorting allowing for more attack-capacity centers to be included in the team.    My only problem is the  potentally negative impact Jantjies could have on their backline performances - but I am sure that problem would be identified and dealt with by Coetzee at an early stage of the competition.  

    


Beeno1

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RE: It was good fo rSA rugby that WP won Currie Cup
November 03, 2012, 09:59:25

Mike I am giving Meyer till the end of 2103 to get things going. We must see an improvement in 2103. By 2014 I want us to be seriously challenging for number 1. I can see no reason why being number 1 by 2014 is an unreasonable expecttation.  

As for the stormers and sharks they should be strong next year and the bulle are getting there.

De Jongh must try to be more active and learn to distribute better.  He had a very good game against the sharks and his defence was great.

Bye the way thanks for helping to make this a very nice and entertaining forum!

 


clevermike

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RE: It was good fo rSA rugby that WP won Currie Cup
November 03, 2012, 10:27:01

Beeno

You are right about De Jongh - he can't go through another year scoring only 3 tries.  That is just not good enough for a 13.  He should alsobegin to break lines, making space for other players and effective off-loading.


carpetmuncher

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RE: It was good fo rSA rugby that WP won Currie Cup
November 05, 2012, 07:20:18

in de jongh's defence is only part of the system and the system seems to train players not the think or act for themselves. so i hope AC and the rubbish silver fox aka....robbie fleck and get there house in order and try to develop and fine tune there gameplan.

 

in terms of meyer i think the end of 2013 is to late. if another coach is picked by then you leave him with only 2 years to build which is not enough time at all. the type of change that we need and the type of change is a lot more than just at bok level.

 

meyer can really help himself so much by just goign that extra mile and just employing a specialist overseas backline coach/consultant. i just cant understand how he cant think he can achieve success with his current string of coaches. i really do wish i can change his mindset really i do.


Beeno1

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RE: It was good fo rSA rugby that WP won Currie Cup
November 05, 2012, 08:20:26

Muncher you are on form ground when you agree with me!. Yes indeed he needs to get in a backline coach and and Nieaber.

 


carpetmuncher

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RE: It was good fo rSA rugby that WP won Currie Cup
November 05, 2012, 11:19:00

if saru wants to get rid of him then it needs to happen early next year or at the end of this year.


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