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Beeno1

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WP have formulae to beat Sharks - please note Sharkbok
October 25, 2012, 08:25:25

Ex Keo

WP defence coach Jacques Nienaber believes his team has the blueprint to become the first SA team to beat the Sharks at Kings Park this year.

Nienaber is praised as the guru who has masterminded the Cape teams’ defensive structures, which excelled during Super Rugby and the Currie Cup over the last three years.

The Stormers’ strong guard helped them qualify for two semi-finals (2011 and 2012) and one final (2010) in Super Rugby. WP also featured in one semi-final (2011) and a final (2010) on the domestic scene.

However, those teams all lost their respective play-off matches, extending their title drought to 11 years. The last piece of silverware added to the Newlands trophy cabinet was the 2001 Currie Cup (that’s if you exclude the over-hyped South African conference title won in Super Rugby -WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD YOU DO THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!).

These three years of finals rugby heartache forced the management to rethink their game plan. Backline coach Robbie Fleck revealed to this site in September that this year’s domestic campaign would be used to implement a stronger attacking game, which their players have bought into (PLEASE NOTE CARPET MUNCHER!!!!).

Gio Aplon told me midway during the league phase: ‘We’ve realised the hard way that a strong defence won’t win semi-finals and finals. It’s good enough to get you to the top of the league, but if you have to be able to attack well in you want to win those play-off games.’

As a result, WP have scored the second most tries in the tournament (behind the Sharks( PLEASE NOTE CARPET MUNCHER) and are the third top point-scorers (close behind the Sharks and Golden Lions). They showed great composure with ball in hand to score a late try for a 21-16 comeback semi-final win over the Lions at Ellis Park.

They now have the opportunity to carry that momentum into the final against the Sharks, who have beaten all South African teams at Kings Park during Super Rugby and the Currie Cup in 2012.

While the Sharks have beaten the Stormers and WP four out of five times during these tournaments, Nienaber said the last two defeats have helped the team progress.

‘We were beaten 43-27 in Durban during round two, but we played with 12 men at one stage,’ Nienaber told keo.co.za. ‘We were still in the game before we were issued those two red cards and the final yellow card just made things even more difficult. The Sharks scored three tries with a greater man advantage.(DONT EXPECT THE GUPPIES TO ACKNOWLEDGE THESE THINGS)

‘But earlier in the game, we were very competitive. We manned up against their powerful pack and had the technical game plan that troubled them.(Problem now is the absence of Bekker and Liebenberg)

‘The 25-23 loss in Cape Town in the opening round was a learning curve for us. While we were placing a greater focus on attack, it revealed we didn’t have an effective scramble defence. Most of their tries came from turnovers in possession. But the situation has improved since then. We’ve lost many of our first-choice players to injury, but we have the formula to beat the Sharks in the final.(What a coup it would be for this depleted WP side to wack the guppies at home!!)

This greater balance between attack and defence also bodes well for Super Rugby next year.’(As noted of course by finger on the pulse Beeno)

Nienaber added that the Sharks’ defence and kicking game have been key in their successful year, especially during the Currie Cup.

‘Many people believe the Sharks are doing well because of their strong attack,’ he said. ‘But the Sharks have improved very well on defence. They’re also kicking the ball a lot. The Currie Cup stats show that they’ve kicked the most during the tournament (Ou carpet muncher must be expiring by now! Hahhaahhahaha). They even had six more kicks than the Blue Bulls in the semi-final. I don’t think anyone has picked up on that.’

Nienaber believes discipline will be vital in Saturday’s Currie Cup showdown: ‘The Lions conceded more penalties than us at Ellis Park last weekend, but we leaked too many in kickable positions and gave Elton Jantjies a chance to boot his team to victory. We can’t afford that against the Sharks and Pat Lambie

Go WP its time to add MORE Silverware to our trophy cabinet!


carpetmuncher

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RE: WP have formulae to beat Sharks - please note Sharkbok
October 25, 2012, 09:20:31

@beeno you mean to add actual silverware for a change seeing that those plastic china town conf cups that you blokes have dont pose to well in the old cupboard.

 

PLEASE NOTE BEENO YES WP HAS SECOND MOST TRYS BEHIND THE SHARKS YESSSSSSSSSSS.....be nice and submissive old beeno.....you are second fiddle.

 

the lions were there own worse enemy last week so dont expect any favours from the boys in black come saterday. i know jacques nienaber i have spoken to him on numours times and he is the only reason that wp has not gone down the barrel. great thinker and greate team man. count your stars that you have at least one decent technical coach beeno.....second of all you make mention of the pack (as always because it seems the game is just played from 1 to 8 in beeno land) but your up against a team that plays with 15 players not 10 rugby players and 5 tackle bags. i expect the sharks to come out firing scoring on every chance in the wp half building a 15 point lead early making the wp boys chase and counter if with ease. collectivly as a unit the sharks boys are light years ahead. much better skillset and far better game plan than the 1980's jerry hatricks aka no cups coetzee and robbie the silver jew fleck.l

 

lets hope the sharks slap a few players and the roids rangers from here in the cape will lose there temper and cards will flow like water


Beeno1

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October 25, 2012, 12:21:37

mucher a little honesty goes along way. I do trust you accept the plain fact that the WP attack has improved!! 

This guppie  has got it real bad!!  I suggest muncher that you take note of Nieaber's comments as he has gone way beyond rugby 101 page 1 . Bwahahahahahaha


clevermike

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October 25, 2012, 12:26:31

Beeno

I trust nothing abou your remarks on the Sharks game as to teh improvement in attack.   They left a huge hole in your argument through retention of De Jongh.   They are going to lose by 12+ points if they are lucky - or by 20+ otherwise.


Beeno1

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October 25, 2012, 13:10:30

Mike I have said from the begining he odds are on the sharks but this is a fina land who knows. This WP side has a lot of spirit and they are going to Durban to win. There may be a surprise so I am living in hope.

I am looking forward to the gifted Damian Allende playing center. He should be an improvement on brache - Du Plessis should be on the bench at least!  

You are too negative about De Jong as you are re Jantjes. Balance Mike balance!

My concern is the front row. The guy we will miss most is Liebenberg.  However if they can miraculously hold ther own there then scurra provides great mobilty outside the scrum.  Etzebth needs to knock some ense into a few guppies players ala his job on Bissie. What an amazing 20 year old he is.

I wonder if the sharks team are as overconfident as the chest beating guppies here. I doubt it as they know its going to be hard.

 Go WP!!!


BonganiP

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RE: WP have formulae to beat Sharks - please note Sharkbok
October 25, 2012, 13:27:11

Well what do you know:

 

"Gio Aplon told me midway during the league phase: ‘We’ve realised the hard way that a strong defence won’t win semi-finals and finals. It’s good enough to get you to the top of the league, but if you have to be able to attack well in you want to win those play-off games.’ "

 

And still the clown and his boss, Allister, and the rest (including Jean de Villiers) defended the stupid idea right up to the semi-final of the S15, against the Sharks.


carpetmuncher

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October 25, 2012, 14:14:38

no cups is playing his hand in giving the second five 8 a chance in crunch match and to be fair that is a massive tactical error as marcel to me is a much better rounded player. it will come back to haunt him. caint wait to see how the sharks will run his channel on attack.

 

no cups will get schoold on saterday.


sasuke uchiha

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RE: WP have formulae to beat Sharks - please note Sharkbok
October 25, 2012, 14:37:39

wp could beat the sharks, its unlikely, but crazier things have happened, rebels beat crusaders, scotland beat the Boks and wallabies in their last encounters, so never say never.

sharks seem to have the upperhand IMO, they have a far more balanced game which relies them to front up on both attack and defence, while wp look comfortable just grinding out the armwrestleing match tactic.

wp were very lucky to come through with a win against the lions and thge sharks have got to be feeling very comfortable at the moment, complacency might be the thing to catch out the sharks, much like it did in the spXV semis when they were bamboozled by the banana bunch in their own backyard.
 


carpetmuncher

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RE: WP have formulae to beat Sharks - please note Sharkbok
October 25, 2012, 14:40:09
spot on comment sasu.....at the end of the day its another 80 min on the pitch. nothing gets handed over for free so the sharks still need to go out there and stamp there brand of game on the wp. the thing the wp wants is the have that trench warfare slow static type of game...that is in there comfort zone so its up to the sharks to not to get suckered into that


Boklogic

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RE: WP have formulae to beat Sharks - please note Sharkbok
October 26, 2012, 03:30:41

Hey Sasu, fair calls made there but I dont think the Sharks themselves will be complacent. I realise that, like us, they are only human and they hear all the jibe in the papers about how they are expected to walk all over WP and how they just need to turn up to win but the Sharks know better than anyone that WP are awesome when they click. The Sharks dont want to be seeing any more "Breyton Paulse Flick Flacks"  on their home ground.

 

I give Beeno shit about how bad WP are and how I started celebrating the minute WP beat the Lions but thats just banter. Nothing is cast in stone. 1 thing is for sure, there will be 22 players on each team for 80 mins and either set of 22 is capable of winning if they play the right game and it is their day. Form up to now means nothing. A final brings out a different beast in a team I would imagine! WP have some really talented players there and if they come good, they in with a big shot.

 

PS Beeno - WP wont win..Only difficulty I am having about this game is do I take Sharks 13+ for minimal return or between 20-27 points to make a bit more?? I would hate to choose the latter and sharks do it even more comfortably ;-)


clevermike

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RE: WP have formulae to beat Sharks - please note Sharkbok
October 26, 2012, 04:01:19

Beeno started this thread and if he believes that WP can win - he must also believe the moon is made of green cheese.  No chance of that one on Saturday.   As you said - it is a question of margin of victory only. - I would say somewhere between 12 and 20 points.


Boklogic

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October 26, 2012, 05:25:20

I just thought I would change my Avatar for the weekend so Beeno can see what happened last time Schalk was on the field with the Sharks. He got a 5 finger discount from wee Pat ;-)


Beeno1

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RE: WP have formulae to beat Sharks - please note Sharkbok
October 26, 2012, 08:58:18

Panic is setting in and the guppies are in total confusion apart from Mike whose blowhard stance has been extreme to say the least.

Most guppies  vacilating now between a blwohard and more moderate stance as reality dawns on them - thanks almost entirely to Beeno's very sensible comments- that the result is not cast in stone - a turn of phrase first used by me and now is being picked up by faltering guppie supporters.

Bwahahahahahha bring it on sharkies!!


carpetmuncher

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October 26, 2012, 09:03:39

old beeno i might suggest a self imposed exile after your roids rangers/thungs get a beating on saterday. old jeb prepaired this week by hitting his mom before practice every day


clevermike

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October 26, 2012, 12:34:42

Beeno

I may be a blowhard - but I am not a zealot.   Some quick explanation necessary here.   I was borne in the Southern Cape - grew up there and for most of my life was an avid WP Supporter. 

However, WP's playing techniques lately failed  badly and nowadays they are really very average.   They barely managed to get into the semis.    And in the semis they barely managed to squeeze in a win.  Bad news the whole set-up in WP - note not the players,  but the coaches.   The one thing I will always remember of Fleck was the day he was buggering  -  I nearly used a stronger term - around behind the tryline instead of dotting down - got tackled from behind and lost the ball in the process.  .    Lets leave Coetzee in the land of rugby loonies where he so rightfully belongs.

I think I am not a blowhard - I am a realist.     


carpetmuncher

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RE: WP have formulae to beat Sharks - please note Sharkbok
October 26, 2012, 16:23:54
as long as coetzee and fleck is in charge at least then i will know i have one less team to worry about. they are just competing on mere talent alone but as the competition gets stiffer that alone cant bring long term success.


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