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Sharks shake up pack for final
October 25, 2012, 02:44:21


Sharks shake up pack for final

2012-10-24 20:41
Cape Town - Sharks coach John Plumtree has rolled out the heavy artillery for their Currie Cup final against Western Province in Durban on Saturday.

Plumtree on Wednesday retained the same backline which started in the 20-3 semi-final win over the Blue Bulls last week, but brought back a few heavies to bolster his pack for the Kings Park showpiece.

In the front row Springbok Tendai Mtawarira starts at loosehead prop in place of Dale Chadwick, with Bok squad member Craig Burden replacing Kyle Cooper at hooker. Jannie du Plessis - cleared after suffering concussion against the Bulls - remains at tighthead.

In other changes up front, Willem Alberts replaces Jean Deysel at flank, while Steven Sykes starts ahead of Jandre Marais at lock.

Odwa Ndungane also returns on the bench after an injury lay-off. Plumtree this time went for 4-3 forwards-backs split on the bench, which means prop Chadwick misses out altogether.

The final kicks off at 17:00.



15. Louis Ludik 14. JP Pietersen 13. Paul Jordaan12. Tim Whitehead 11. Lwazi Mvovo 10. Patrick Lambie9. Cobus Reinach 8. Keegan Daniel (captain) 7. Willem Alberts 6. Marcell Coetzee 5. Anton Bresler 4. Steven Sykes 3. Jannie du Plessis 2. Craig Burden 1. Tendai Mtawarira

Substitutes: 16. Kyle Cooper 17. Wiehahn Herbst 18. Jandre Marais 19. Jean Deysel 20. Charl McLeod 21.Meyer Bosman 22. Odwa Ndungane

Western Province:

15. Gio Aplon, 14. Gerhard van den Heever, 13. Juan de Jongh, 12. Damian de Allende, 11. Bryan Habana, 10. Demetri Catrakilis, 9. Nic Groom, 8. Duane Vermeulen, 7. Don Armand, 6. Deon Fourie (captain), 5. De Kock Steenkamp, 4. Eben Etzebeth, 3. Frans Malherbe, 2. Scarra Ntubeni, 1. Steven Kitshoff

Substitutes: 16. Deon Carstens, 17. Brok Harris, 18. Wilhelm van der Sluys, 19. Jebb Sinclair, 20. Louis Schreuder, 21. Marcel Brache, 22. Joe Pietersen Sluys, Jebb Sinclair, Louis Schreuder, Marcel Brache, Joe Pietersen


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RE: Sharks shake up pack for final
October 25, 2012, 02:46:35

 After good player management by resting many A(bok) team players, we gave some experience to our new B-team 

players and rested some of the A-team players. The Bulls were not much of a challenge, but it is finals time now and we

are up against a formidable WP team. The likes of Habana and co are dangerous, even if the forward pack is not at full 

strength. Should be a good game, go sharks


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RE: Sharks shake up pack for final
October 25, 2012, 07:00:45

The team selected for the CC final is way better than the WP one and is going to give them a walloping.   What I am more interested in is the upcooming 2013 Super Series squad.   I am not aware of any high-profile new players the Sharks comtracted and the only player of ote that is leaving them is in fact Sykes.    There are one or two weak players  - like Viljoen - that they should also have let go - but I don't think that for them was a priority.

There 2013 Super Series squad will be very good - taking into account the following:-

Full Back

Lu[removed] and Prinsloo.

Although thy listed Lambie as a flyhalf in he official squad for 2012 - they actually played him at full back virtually throughout the season.   When he was not available they played Lu[removed] or in some cases Viljoen.    Prinsloo we never saw anything of - but he is still remaining with the Sharks and is likely to be in their squad again.    Lu[removed] played exceptionally well and I believe that he will be the anchor player in the position in 2013.

I don't think that Lambie will be played at full back in 2013 - I think he will be the flyhalf next year. 


Mvovo, Ndungane, Pietersen, Sithole and Specman

We actually saw very little in 2012 of the latter two players in the Super series.   The Sharks started off the series in 2012 by playing Pietersen at 13 - without too much success.   They initially lost some games and then changed their backline - making it more effective.   Pietersen was then played at wing  - his prime position.   The other wing was either Ndungwane, Mvovo or Lu[removed].  and we saw nothing of Sithole or Specmman in the actual games played.    The squad will remain the same - but the actual team will most probably include Pietersen and Mvovo with Ndugane on the bench.  


Bosman, Jordaan, Joubert, Steyn and Whitehead

During most of 2012 the Sharks selected Whitehead at 12 and Jordaan at 13.   Steyn only became available later in the season - and played at 12.   Bosman and Joubert were essentially the bench players in the series.   Joubert is past his prime and will rarely be seen in 2013.   I think essentially in 2013 the Sharks will play Steyn at 12 and Jordaan at 13.   The problem will most likely be who should be on the bench.   The advantage of having Bosman on the bench is that he can also cover for the flyhalf and he is a reliable kicker at goal as well.   That leaves Whitehead - a very good player - in a bad situation, namely that he may only be on the fringes next year and not even certain whether he will make the bench.   Unless Steyn really shaped up and get back to his best - it is likely that Whitehead will take over at 12.


Lambie and Viljoen  

Although the above two were the only two players listed on the website, Michalak joined the squad after the 6-Nations tournament and played most of the time in that position, leaving Lambie to play at full back.   There is at present no indication that Michalak will be back for the next season (great loss for the girls of Durban).    In any event - Michalak at times also played at scrummie.   I think that the situation would change next year and it is likely that Lambie will be the key flyhalf.   Viljoen is a dead loss at flyhalf - something like Morne Steyn of the Sharks in that position.    He may be subbed by Bosman - who did show some improvement later in the season.   The above is confirmd even by the selection of the Sharks team for the final.


Hoffman, McLeod and Reinach

Hoffman and Reinach  we never saw anything of in the Super 15 in 2012 and the Sharks consistently played Mcleod in this position - in a few games they also played Michalak at scrummie too.   However, as the season went on McLeod's game keep on deteriorating - to the extent that in the CC Competition he was basically replaced by Reinach.   The latter really showed star quality and seems to have the upper hand now.   I think the starting scrummie will be Reinach with McLeod gradually fading out of contention.


Albert, Botes, Coetzee, Daniel, Deysel, Kleinhans, Mthembu and Stander

There are two players not listed above that may come into the picture next year and that is Kankowski and Du Toit.   Kankowski last year was mostly injured and after playing some really good games for the Sharks in the CC competition left for Japan wher he has a contract until Feruary 2013.  He will then be back - and will most likely be in the squad for 2013.    The other interesting player is Pieter-Steph Du Toit.   In discussions of the squad for the CC final - Plumtree said tht he may include Du Toit in the Final Squad.   Du Toit was brilliant in the Under 21 team .   He already had some Super 13 expereince in 2012 and with the departure of Sykes  - he will definitely be in the squad of the Sharks for 2013 - especially since both Alberts or him can either play as loosies or locks.

This is really a top class combination of loosies.   I don't think we will see much of Botes, Kleinhans, Mthembu  and Stander in Super 13 next year.  The players most likely to play at loosie - depending on the opposition could be Alberts (alternatively as a lock), Kankowski, Damiel,  Du Toit (alternatively as a lock)  and Coetsee.   Even Deysel would have difficulty in getting into the squad on a regular basis.   The likely scenario is that Du Toit will be on the bench to cover both the lock and loosie positions.


Bressler, Du Toit, J Marais, P Marais

The above list can be augented by playing Alberts at lock as well.   I have written about  the position of Du Toit already in discussions on the loosie issue.   The likely combination will be The likely locks will be Bressler, Du Toit and J Marais - with th ltter two alernating depending on performance.   If need be Alberts can also be moved to lock - so again a very strong combination. 


Chadwick, Dell, Du Plessis,  Herbst, Mtawarira and Redelinghuys

We have seen very little of Hernst and Redelinghuys the past Super 15 season and rhat is unlikely to change next year.  The likely combination remains Chadwick, Du Plessis and the Beast.


Burden, Cooper, Dixon, Du Plessis, Hadebe and Marais   

There are in reality only two players that will actually play in matches in the series and those are Du Plessis and Burden.   Dixon is way past it and if one of the top two are injured - Cooper may be on the bench.

The above representa an exceptionally strong team that could easily be in the number 1 position on the log next year.   A repeat of the travelling scenario that caused havoc in the play-offs, semi and final will be most unlikely.





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RE: Sharks shake up pack for final
October 25, 2012, 09:45:31

first off i just wanted to say congrats to the plums and co in regards to player development. its great to see players like jordaan and co playing in the type of enviroment that they are playing in. there is a lot of depth and talent across the board and this is the end result of great work on and off the pitch.


very strong side with depth in the coming years the team to watch for sure. all mega starts in the making. win of lose this have been a great season for the sharks and the future looks very very bright.

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