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Sharkbok

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Province have no plan up their sleeve
October 24, 2012, 03:39:04

 

Province have no plan up their sleeve



 

Western Province may have benefitted from the appalling conditions in which they were forced to play their last Currie Cup match against the Sharks in Durban in mid-September.

On that day the visitors were well beaten in a top-of-the-log fixture in which players were aquaplaning in the large puddles of water that made the Mr Price Kings Park surface resemble a paddy field.

So frustrated did WP become that by the end of the match they had completely lost their rag, with two red cards being issued for punching and a third player yellow carded for a dangerous tackle, reducing Province to 12 men at the final whistle.

After producing an excellent kicking game in the first half that kept the Sharks checked, WP fell away badly in the second and ultimately were guilty of not adapting to the conditions as well as their opponents had.

But the experience, says WP coach Allister Coetzee, might just have been good for his team with Saturday’s final in mind, particularly as the early forecasts suggest it will again be a wet-weather match.

“I saw a forecast that predicted 13 millimetres of rain so we have to be prepared for something similar,” said Coetzee.

He said his team would stop short of dipping the ball into buckets of water during training in Bellville this week, and he has also resisted the temptation to fly to Durban early to get used to training in the conditions that may be encountered on match day. But he says he has a plan.

“Our flights are booked and we will fly up on the Friday like we usually do, but we have got permission from the Sharks to have a proper training run on Kings Park so that we can get a proper feel of the conditions beforehand,” said Coetzee.

“With two curtain-raisers (the national under-19 and under-21 finals) scheduled, normally you might expect the host union to protect the field, but we felt it was important in this instance that we get a proper chance to get a feel of it.

"The field drains well and the surface is good, but it’s not nice playing in puddles of water, like we did last time. So hopefully it won’t be that bad again.

CHANGES IN APPROACH NEEDED

“But we did learn from the experience of our last game there, and we noted at the time that there are changes in our approach that we should make if we encounter the same situation and conditions again.

"That’s the thing about this game, you learn from experience, and we started working on a plan then. We are confident we have a plan that will make it harder for the Sharks this time.”

Coetzee did not elaborate on what that plan was, but he did mention after the September match that he felt that the Sharks had prepared for the game as if they were playing the old schoolboy playground game of – to use its English name – ‘Gaining Grit’.

“It’s that game where you have two teams that just kick at one another until one gains enough territorial ascendancy to force you back onto your own line and then win the game by kicking the ball over you,” said Coetzee.

In other words it’s the battle of the longest kickers, and one player the Sharks won’t have this time is Riaan Viljoen, who was a key player when selected unannounced into the Sharks' back three for the Super Rugby semifinal at Newlands, and then at flyhalf in both Currie Cup games against WP.

But the Sharks do still have top kickers, and a tactical genius in Patrick Lambie calling the shots.

So would that prompt a change in WP selection, with maybe Joe Pietersen returning to fullback so that his kicking skills could be added to the Province mix?

“I don’t know, we will make our selection tomorrow (Tuesday), and I can assure you it will be in the best interest of the game we want to play, not paying too much attention to the conditions at this stage,” said Coetzee.

The WP coach is in the rare position, for him, of having 22 fit players to choose from for the final, and while there may be some musical chairs between the starting team and bench when the selection is announced on Wednesday, the same 22 that did duty in the semifinal in Johannesburg will be on call for the final.

That may be bad news for WP under-21 coach John Dobson, who will have to take his team into their final against the Bulls without impressively built wing Damian de Allende, who made a few points in his favour late in the Currie Cup semifinal, and lock Wilhelm van der Sluys.

Of course players like Eben Etzebeth, Steven Kitshoff and Frans Malherbe are also under-21, but they have been playing senior rugby all year.


Sharkbok

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RE: Province have no plan up their sleeve
October 24, 2012, 03:48:02

 We should have too much fire power in the backs, and loose forwards for the WP to be a threat. We have beaten the Nienaber defense with our diverse multi-facted game plan 


clevermike

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RE: Province have no plan up their sleeve
October 24, 2012, 04:55:33

Sharkbok

No problem - WP cannot beat the Sharks.   WP has a few star players - but they also have disasters like De Jongh and Brache.   They will lose - my conservative prediction is a loss by 12+ points, but I really think 20+ is more likely.


carpetmuncher

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RE: Province have no plan up their sleeve
October 24, 2012, 08:13:48

the sharks multi phase attack approach is very very tough to stop. they attack up front in the lose and in the back so that creates 3 areas that are so diverse and tough to stop. that being said the sharks need to attack attack and attack some more and try to bury them in the first 20 min's 2 to 3 7 pointers and as soon as they need to chase the game then the space starts to open up for counters ext. weather permitting we need to up the pace and really run at the hard. the cracks wil come.

 

its all about adding pressure and as we know the WP are serious chokers and the added pressure of a final and early points will tend to let there wheels come off. the sharks has 15 well rounded skilled players playing up tempo attacking rugby and that in itself will give them a massive edge in any game that they play.

 

the lions semi was not nearly as impressive and the sharks semi.

 

the main thing is the sharks should not play to the WP's strong suite of slow forward style trench warfare. just whip up the tempo and attack and the WP will crack.


Beeno1

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RE: Province have no plan up their sleeve
October 24, 2012, 09:14:49

Guppie blowhards blowing up a storm as was expected ofcourse. Oaks please go and read an excellent article I posted under the Mighty WP thread and wise up would ya!

Beeno asking the impossible!


carpetmuncher

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RE: Province have no plan up their sleeve
October 24, 2012, 13:10:17

the wp boys are more obsessed with the weight scale and playing rugby so a quicker tempo will caught them out but if its rains it will suite them for sure....

 

we will se how the game goes but wp wil be up against a well drilled well coached side. 15 men playing against 10 men and 5 tacklers. it will be a great game to watch.


canrugby

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RE: Province have no plan up their sleeve
October 24, 2012, 20:52:40

As much as I know my team is the underdog, and the odds are much against them. I will still go for my team.

 

Sharks are going down!! GO WP!!


carpetmuncher

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RE: Province have no plan up their sleeve
October 25, 2012, 09:52:11

at the end of the day its 2 teams that play against each other so in my book any team on the day can take it....so best of luck to the WP boys. we sharks supporters are not so self centered and arrogant like most other WP/stormers supporters.....may the best team win. lets hope its a good game and the weather stays nice and fair.


DbDraad

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RE: Province have no plan up their sleeve
October 25, 2012, 10:16:20

carpetmuncher

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RE: Province have no plan up their sleeve
October 25, 2012, 09:52:11


at the end of the day its 2 teams that play against each other so in my book any team on the day can take it....so best of luck to the WP boys. we sharks supporters are not so self centered and arrogant like most other WP/stormers supporters.....may the best team win. lets hope its a good game and the weather stays nice and fair.

 

To echo someone from another forum: "Oh! the irony."

 


DbDraad

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RE: Province have no plan up their sleeve
October 25, 2012, 10:16:26

oops double post


Beeno1

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RE: Province have no plan up their sleeve
October 25, 2012, 12:27:48

carpet muncher is getting cold feet - now its any team on the day can take it. Hahahahahahhahaa what a collpse coming from this humble guppy!

Name a name Draad?


DbDraad

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RE: Province have no plan up their sleeve
October 25, 2012, 13:46:06

Beeno, if you pardon the pun,  your big buddy Taipan has an eye for irony.


Beeno1

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RE: Province have no plan up their sleeve
October 25, 2012, 14:07:25

We call him bedpan Draad and with good cause! Hahhahahahaha what a complete quarterwit and oxygen thief he is!!! Its a wonder the delightful Mata doesnt klap him real good. I almost said take him out but that would be misconstrued.

Anyhow Draad all these guppie blowhards may just be in for a surprise. Love to see some egg landing on guppie diehard stu5 whom we havent seen for a while.  Man if we as the underdogs win it will be a massive dive some will have to take! 

Go WP.


carpetmuncher

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RE: Province have no plan up their sleeve
October 25, 2012, 14:09:47

i am trying to be a gentleman about this but its seems its a bridge to far for some one eyed wp fanboys.

 

good luck for saterday boys...you are going to need it


DbDraad

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RE: Province have no plan up their sleeve
October 25, 2012, 14:20:39

Yes, we will need a bit of luck but the game still needs to be played. Most of the Shark supporters seems to think it is just a formality. Rugby doesn't work like that.


carpetmuncher

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RE: Province have no plan up their sleeve
October 25, 2012, 14:25:28

true words draad.....on paper the teams could not be more different but the game is played on grass and anything can happen on the day. nothing is certain until its certain

 

 


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