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Beeno1

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Justin Marshall on the Brisbane banana test
October 23, 2012, 09:51:44

 

Sometimes you hate to be right, and this was definitely one of those occasions as the All Blacks had their winning streak snapped in Brisbane with a draw that would have felt like a loss in the aftermath.
I wondered beforehand if this could be a "banana skin" match for the All Blacks and, sure enough, it played out pretty much as I'd thought it might, right down to my theory that the Australians might not be good enough or experienced enough to close out victory.
I had a feeling it would be one of those tight test matches and, if the Wallabies could stay in touch on the scoreboard, and even get themselves ahead, they would gain some encouragement and confidence.
They put themselves in a position to win the test match, then they proceeded to go about losing it as best they could.
The All Blacks were very lucky they were able to haul in a nine-point deficit all on the back of Australia making errors and doing foolish things.
They didn't construct anything because they didn't have any ball and because of that weren't able to build pressure and points.
The All Blacks instead had to rely on the Australians giving them opportunities to score points - and Robbie Deans' men duly obliged.
The Wallabies let the All Blacks back in to the point they could even have lost and, when they reflect on this match, they will probably be kicking themselves for letting the victory get away from them.
Australia were the dominant team and had every opportunity to win.
But I always felt that if it got close, New Zealand had an edge because they had so much experience and nous.
Sure enough, Australia got themselves into a winning position yet lacked the personnel and ability to grab the game by the scruff of the neck.
I don't think the All Blacks underestimated the Wallabies but they never got into the game early.
They were just feeding off turnovers and the odd error from Australia, but that doesn't give you ball in hand to establish a rhythm.
When they're playing well, the All Blacks construct seven-plus phases and put opponents under pressure. They hardly did that at all in this test.
At the end, the players sounded frustrated they couldn't get into the game and didn't have the ball to assert their game plan.
It was similar to what happened in the first half in South Africa, except there they were able to score the tries against the run of play to stay in the game.
But that's two test matches in a row they've really struggled to get ball and implement the game plan. (JUSTIN YOU ARE FORGETTING THE DUNEDIN TEST WHERE THE ABS SHOULD  HAVE LOST BY 20 POINTS - SO MAKE THAT THREE TESTS!!!!!)
Make no mistake, for the All Blacks this will feel like a loss.
The players would have been desperate to win for Keven Mealamu and for Steve Hansen, who's had a tough week with the death of his father, Des.
Plus, All Blacks love smashing records and take great pride in their achievements, and the fact they let that winning streak slip will be incredibly frustrating in the cold light of day.
Also, when an opponent is as dominant as the Wallabies were, a draw does feel like a loss.
HE GOES ON TO DO SOME DAMAGE CONTROL BUT THE ABOVE ARE THE SALIENT POINTS.
- Justin Marshall is a former All Blacks halfback

Well Justin and Beeno are quite clearly on the same page. I do think the drubbing the abs got in Dunedin and the fact the OZ team were indeed the dominant side at Brisbane (Both SA and OZ being without key players) shows the abs are what I have been saying all along - a good sid ebut not  great one. Youcan add in that win agains tthe run of play in the WC final.

ThanksJustin for an objective assessment of matters that will of course not make you popular with the head in sand nz brigade.

It is I beleive case closed. Point proven and the last word said.

Time for ou hakwa to post his pictures - Hahahahahahahahaha


Beeno1

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RE: Justin Marshall on the Brisbane banana test
October 23, 2012, 12:40:14

Apologies for the other duplicate post but it was most likely a systems problem.


hakwa

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RE: Justin Marshall on the Brisbane banana test
October 23, 2012, 13:30:16

 I can't believe you are taking this "chip on the shoulder at not having won any RWC" seriously

He looks like you Beeno


clevermike

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RE: Justin Marshall on the Brisbane banana test
October 23, 2012, 20:44:20

Hakwa

I always was a great admirer of Justin - better scrummie than you have at present.   I know he says things that are at times unpopular in New Zealand - but he remains a top guy and objective assessor.   If you keep it up - the poor bugger might have to move to SA - like Meade and Campese did. 

I think Carter may also come here after retirement - he apparently like Cape Town very much.


hakwa

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RE: Justin Marshall on the Brisbane banana test
October 23, 2012, 23:46:58

you should adopt him Mike :-))


Sharkbok

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RE: Justin Marshall on the Brisbane banana test
October 23, 2012, 23:57:19

Marshall is an objective student of the game. None of the rose tinted one eyed monster stuff.


carpetmuncher

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RE: Justin Marshall on the Brisbane banana test
October 24, 2012, 11:40:01

yeah carter loves it here in cape town but more for the night life and he loves more strippers here more than anything else i heard :P

 

but it would be great to see carter in SA. how a lambie or goosen can learn from such a great player...it boggels the mind really


Beeno1

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RE: Justin Marshall on the Brisbane banana test
October 24, 2012, 13:02:18

I am hoping hakwa under daily tutelage may become another Marshall? Haka Justin is not as good looking!

Here's too Lambie and Goosen soon to be outplaying Dan the ex man. 2 years?


clevermike

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RE: Justin Marshall on the Brisbane banana test
October 24, 2012, 13:39:14

Carpetmuncher

If girls are the min attraction for Carter - he may as well have found a gold mine in Cape Town and Steenbosch.   Carter will have a field day there - but he must beware - it also have its negatives.

Three very old men is sitting in a park and a reporter wondered why became got so old and write a story about the responses.   She went to the first one - the youngest looking of the three and the following interview followed:-

"Uncle how come you have grwon that old?

The response was - "I smoke one cigar every day of my life  and that is in my opinion the reason why I reached the age of 85."

The reporter went to the second-oldest looking man and asked him the sam question.   The response was as follows:-

"All my life long I had a whiskey and soda as a sundowner every day.   I think that is the main reason why I reached the age o 93".

She then approached the oldest looking of the trio and asked him the same question:-

Response :  I have always had [removed] ten times a day and that is the main reason for my aging"

The reporter asked :   How old are you?"

Response :   "I will be 36 nest month.

Carter beware - the interviews took place in Cape Town.   LOL

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carpetmuncher

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RE: Justin Marshall on the Brisbane banana test
October 24, 2012, 14:52:54

hahahaha @ mike yeah i know of some instances where old carter pitched up at mavericks in a white suite and got some really personal service from some of the lady's...or that is what i heard anyways. visting teams generally love cape town more than the other parts of SA due to that fact maybe.....i will never know. carter really  loves cape town and i live here in stellenbosch and trust me he will make a killing here so there is more than just rugby to keep him interested.

 

so hopefully WP can get there massive chequebooks out and get signing. will be a great signing for the local fans i think. unless they want to pull a tony brown and sign him beyond the grave.


Papamoa

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RE: Justin Marshall on the Brisbane banana test
October 24, 2012, 19:00:06

what are you on about Bean..head in the sand crap,t even when the AB have a bad game they still win is all i got from your comments and statements. So if anything thanks,  you just made it even clearer how poor SA and Australian rugby is at this stage, so poor that AB can have a shocking game and still beat your team. Thanks for reminding us all how great NZ rugby is. Cheers BEAN


carpetmuncher

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RE: Justin Marshall on the Brisbane banana test
October 25, 2012, 14:29:42

i must admit the way how NZ's developments systems are in place and how there mental approach is to the game one can only be feel nothing but respect for how they managed to produce players. all there systems are geared towards development and creating players that are rounded and thinkers. we are saffers were on the same page but we have lost our way really badly. we only compete with hart but not with wit and skill as we used to 20 to 30 years back


Papamoa

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RE: Justin Marshall on the Brisbane banana test
October 25, 2012, 16:07:03

To true....carpet muncher, theres some people who have it and some dont. Some have great skill but no insight and struggle to develop and no amount of training can install the skill of a natural player. Most young players who make the All Blacks are gifted and have a raw talent and rugby just comes naturally they see the game totally differently to the average player. That all starts at grass roots level.....sorry bean went off topic.....um yea, NZ is very.....ahh not good. SA ....aaahh... is ...mmm..better. yea take that kiwis. Oh and... Dunedin,...and France RWC...and McCaw cheats. There no need to reply ive taken care of it for ya buddy.


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