RE: The MIghty WP
October 24, 2012, 08:50:37
I only ask all guppie supporters no tto count their chickens before they hatch. Also please do remember tha tour win agans ttheLions wa ssomething the sharkies could not achieve last year.
I saw with some dismay,as it is a reflection on the acumen of this board that scurra had been selected as Bok scrumhalf. Some of the other selections were to be polite shocking as well!!! Jaloppy has been busy along with the kiwi bird brains no doubt! Hahahahahahahaha
No oaks the pressure is all on the guppies. Read this please:
JON CARDINELLI of keo writes that a young and depleted Western Province team is likely to lose this Saturday. It’s a probable outcome that shouldn’t be met with the typical public lament. (But it will be - hould it happen - due entirely to the lack of analytical ability and lack of rugby acumen of the vast majority of fans - particualry guppie fans of course!)
Neither the Stormers nor Western Province have won a title of substance since 2001 (Rubbish the SA COnfernce trophy i s worth more than the Currie Cup by FAR!!!!!). It’s a fact that’s shaped public expectation ahead f every subsequent campaign.(SIC)
When the Stormers fail in the Super Rugby competition, the inevitable public fall-out is soon followed by a greater sense of expectation in the Currie Cup. The pressure builds with each failed campaign, as does the expectation. The situation is rarely taken into account. (I am afraid the assessment stops at the ability to read the scoreboard - witness the kiwi bird brains re the Dunedin test and some dismal conclusions re the wc quater final versus oz - think kiwi bird brains - mike and windpomp)
I’m not suggesting that we should accept the Stormers and WP are not good enough to win a title. For a top franchise or union to go 12 years without winning a big trophy… it’s indefensible.(Blame the top guys who have lost coaches of the caliber of mallet and Rassie and failed to give the stormers the budget of union like the bulle)
This is the only conclusion one can reach when considering the bigger picture. However, you also have to accept that there will be seasons where the Cape side is weakened and depleted, and so cannot be expected to go all the way. And 2012 has been one of those seasons. (Too true we should have won the Super 15 thi syear but for injuries)
If one is to consider the situation, the Stormers overachieved in this year’s Super Rugby competition.(Man it is wonderful when an oak has a clue about things) Their situation was so dire that they were asking club players to start in their back row towards the end of the tournament.
In spite of the injuries, some of these to key personnel with international experience, the Stormers were able to finish at the top of the Super Rugby log. Yes, they played their semi-final at Newlands, but they were always going to be the underdogs fielding second- and third-choice provincial players against a Sharks side stacked with Springboks. (Not that any of this was taken into account by all those lacking any rugby acumen - man the moronic comments made on some rugby sites and one small one in particular were breathtakingly stupid))
When the Cape public lifted itself out of yet another period of depression, they grew optimistic. Surely WP would set things right in the Currie Cup?
But national call-ups and further injuries continued to undermine the Cape crusade. Schalk Burger, Nizaam Carr, and Nick Koster were always considered doubtful to return in the domestic competition, and it didn’t help when the likes of Dewaldt Duvenage, Siya Kolisi, Rynhardt Elstadt and Kurt Coleman succumbed to season-ending injuries. Then returning Boks of the calibre of Jean de Villiers, Andries Bekker and Tiaan Liebenberg were ruled out of the Currie Cup play-offs. (Indeed we have to hope ourseciond string can beat the guppies away from home- bobbok please note all this as you seem to thing the abcence of bissie is a counterweight - hahahahahahhaha)
When you add up all of these losses, how can you realistically expect WP to beat the Sharks in Durban? (Exactly so but we still live in hope)
I’m not saying it’s impossible, I’m merely stating that it’s unlikely considering Province’s handicap. It would be a miracle if they could pull it off, but it wouldn’t be a disaster if they did not. (My view entirely)
You have to give Allister Coetzee and his coaches credit for the manner in which they have responded to the challenge this year (Yes they have tasted success but have also blundered - over playing players - poor game plan that ment we did not earn a bonus point dispite topping the log. Poor attacking ability - a badly coached side in some respects that still somehow made it to top of the log). The Stormers won the South African conference trophy and topped the Super Rugby log in spite of crippling injuries to key players. A young WP side has been further depleted over the course of the Currie Cup, and yet they are still through to the final. It speaks volumes for the team culture and structures. (Glad to see some spark coming back into the side and credit to Allistair and the staff for this)
I don’t think the guts as well as the collective clout of this Province side will be sufficient this Saturday (Fair comment). My statement is made in the context of who they are up against: a Sharks side that is stacked with players that have not only won the Currie Cup twice in the past four years, but also players that have won greater accolades at international level.
There is individual brilliance in this Sharks side, but there’s also a strong sense of unity. And it would follow that a united Bok-laden Sharks team playing in Durban would be too strong for a united-yet-understrength WP side.
People like to look at the newspaper and see the world in black and white, not in shades of grey ( I call it lack of anlytical ability! - look at rthe scorebaord they squak - hahahahahahahaha). Teams are either excellent or rubbish (lose by a point and you are useless - it all emotin gone haywire), individuals are either heroes or villains. I expect that the Cape newspapers will run the same old headlines on Sunday, and there will be very little perspective. The Sharks will be heroes, and WP will be villains. (Too true if we lose that is -there will be no perspective at all))
And yet, perspective demands that we see Province’s task as immense. The Sharks have all the advantages and if they were to lose, it would be regarded as a choke. For WP, however, a loss could not be aligned with the disappointments of yesteryear, even though it will go down in history as yet another lost final.
Well I thought I would post this in the vain hope we might have some perspective should the WP lose. Also I think folk need to understand how well WP hav edone this season in the circumstances. Oaks give credit where its due and salute in awe the Mighty Stormers!!!!!!