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Boklogic

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"Great" team fails to cross the line against injury riddled Aussie outfit!
October 21, 2012, 07:39:58

Strongest possible AB team can not cross the chalk even once against an injury riddled Aus line up. Ha ha thats gold. We will however still be told how great they are.

The record remains up for grabs!!

 

I read messages from Poi-e now who has a go at South African supporters and the Boks by saying how far below the Aussies we are..Ha ha is this chop in denial or is the hurt of getting so close and talking themselves up clouding his judgement.

Mate, we scored more tries against the Wallabies in 1 game than you guys have scored in 3 games against them this year and guess what, we too have had injury woes. Dont pull the Boks into this..Its not our fault your boys couldnt beat (or score a try against) a team that we made light work of. It all starts up front and you boys just dont have it there. Not looking good for next year is it..

 

Worst thing about it is Aussies were dropping the ball in contact too many times and still should have got the win..Ha ha great my arse!!

 

Matter of time before Aus and SA are fighting out 1st and 2nd in the world...AB's are an old, tiring dog...Course you will dominate the other puppies but when they get older, tide turns!!

 

Well done AB's...Start again!


Brycy

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RE: "Great" team fails to cross the line against injury riddled Aussie outfit!
October 21, 2012, 07:51:52

...Abs havnt lost yet dkhead...what do you expect when all we get is dkhead SA refs....fk off back to SA dkhead...


Boklogic

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RE: "Great" team fails to cross the line against injury riddled Aussie outfit!
October 21, 2012, 08:00:51

 Ha ha Brycy my boy..Dont get so worked up because the writing is on the wall..Beeno told you this a long time ago so you had time to prepare. You not angry at me, you are angry at your ageing AB's. Not my fault such a "great" attacking team could not score a few tries against a 3rd rate team when SA did it so easily with a 3rd rate team themselves ;-)

 

Now now Brycy, Craig Joubert was fair as hell so please find another excuse aside from the old cliche'. If he was that bad, he would have lost his job..Oh wait, that actually happened to a Kiwi cheat..Your namesake in fact.

Craig Joubert was the same man that ensured the AB's the WC last year so lets not turn on him you sad, sad man!!

 

The score board shows the AB's have not lost but they have. They have lost a shot at the record and I can feel your pain. Go sleep Brycy..Sun will come up tomorrow..(This is NZL though so I wouldnt hold my breath) ;-)


Brycy

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RE: "Great" team fails to cross the line against injury riddled Aussie outfit!
October 21, 2012, 08:16:35

...boklogshit did you notice how when Cruden came on the ABs upped their game and thereafter the Aussies could'nt have won..just because Wepu threw Carter the ball and not Cruden is no need to go into hysterics like the little girl you are...


Boklogic

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RE: "Great" team fails to cross the line against injury riddled Aussie outfit!
October 21, 2012, 08:22:03

 More comical than I thought..Ha ha ha now you are turning on the best 10 in the world and the 1 man who holds your team together..Ha ha had Carter nailed it, he would have been the mighty Dan Carter and your hero and now you are playing him off as a chump...Thanks for the laugh Brycy..You are a joke and a half ;-)

 

Where were the tries my friend??I mean the Aussies backs are up to shit as the Boks exploited..Forget the kicks...Where were the tries from this full strength, mighty AB back line??


Brycy

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RE: "Great" team fails to cross the line against injury riddled Aussie outfit!
October 21, 2012, 08:29:44

...Dan is still the man but Cruden is better and i have always backed the Chief, top points scorer in the Super XV, over a Cantabrian but Hansen is to Canterbury as Meyer to the Bulls...Cruden is the man to watch and is wasted sitting on the bench, what a freakin luxury....


Boklogic

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RE: "Great" team fails to cross the line against injury riddled Aussie outfit!
October 21, 2012, 08:34:30

 You are very wrong Brycy..Dan (even at his age) is 10 times the player Cruden is and Beauden Barrett is 5 times the player Cruden is. You grossly overrate Cruden. I know that you are a Chiefs man and loyal to your boys but Cruden is 3rd best in NZL at best.


Brycy

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RE: "Great" team fails to cross the line against injury riddled Aussie outfit!
October 21, 2012, 08:38:40

...hey bookmark my words...and you'll be eating yours...


Boklogic

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RE: "Great" team fails to cross the line against injury riddled Aussie outfit!
October 21, 2012, 08:44:19

 I will do Brycy but you take mine on board too..Barrett will be the next Dan Carter..Cruden doesn't have it in him...the AB's are nowhere near the threat they are with him there and he has had many games now to settle in. 

Lambie is a much better 10 than Cruden. Much better..Cruden has just had the luxury of better guys around him more often and he is never played out of position whereas Lambie is played wherever they feel like...


Boklogic

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RE: "Great" team fails to cross the line against injury riddled Aussie outfit!
October 21, 2012, 08:44:20

 I will do Brycy but you take mine on board too..Barrett will be the next Dan Carter..Cruden doesn't have it in him...the AB's are nowhere near the threat they are with him there and he has had many games now to settle in. 

Lambie is a much better 10 than Cruden. Much better..Cruden has just had the luxury of better guys around him more often and he is never played out of position whereas Lambie is played wherever they feel like...


clevermike

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RE: "Great" team fails to cross the line against injury riddled Aussie outfit!
October 21, 2012, 08:45:30

Boklogic

I am not going toi get into new argument about the issue of the All Blacks - I am just going to repeat what I said previously when I wrote about the age factor of the All Blacks.   The average age of the players in the team as  whole is 30 - the average age of the forwards is 32.   When i suggested that most of those players are past their prime and they should have a replacement policy if they want to continue to win - the AB supporters said that they have indeed started the process and referred to Retallick and Aaron Smith.

I then started watching those two players in particular in games they play in.   Retallick is big in size and poor in performance.   He rarely  takes a clean line out ball and the only noticeable thing he did in the Soweto test for example was the spear tackle he did on Bekker.   Yesterday he did squat in the game.   If he is an example of the best younger players they have - then the All Blacks are indeed in deep trouble. 

Aaron Smith on the other  hand always looked good in attack.   There has been deficiencies in defence and in his kicking game.   Yesterday he was on two occassions put under pressure and did not look good at all.   I think that opposing teams soon work out new players and go for them - and the result is  that they become neutrlaized and inaffective.    In my opinion that is exactly what happened in the case of Hougaard - when he came on the scene everyone said he was the best in the world - nowadays he is in general a very poor scrummie - last niights efforts in the Bulls - Sharks game just confirm that he really is extremely poor.   Is the same going to happen with Smith?

I believe that the two best players in the All Black team that made them function as the top team in the world are McCaw and Carter.   When i wrote previously that there is a noticeable decline in the play of McCaw  - the NZ supporters attacked me as if I was committing sacrilege.   How can any human being even query McCaw?   Then he announced he was taking a sabbatical from rugby during the first six months of next year.   Yesterday he played like he was already on the sabbatical.   I don't think McCaw will in fact come back a better player than he was yesterday and that is going to cost the All Black team badly in future.   McCaw is in fact the one player that they are going to find virtually irreplaceable.   There is nobody in the younger category that can perform 10% of what McCaw was in his prime.

Now let me commit further sacrilege.   Let me get to Carter - where I said the same thing.   Carter lately stands deeper in the pocket and kicks balls more frequently than he did in the past.   He sometimes still attack the gain line - but those occassions seems to get more rare as time goes by.   Let me be quite frank - he is still the best flyhalf in the world - his passing game is still good - his defensive kicks are excellent - but his strategiic kicks are generally way too far to allow for his players to follow it up effectively.   His goal kicking under  pressure situations are somwhat erratic.   Kicks he would not have missed two years ago - he has missed this year.   He is also injured more regularly and takes longer to recover - that may be the reason for him standing deeper in the pocket,  the decline in the number of gain line attacks and more frequent kicking of the ball.  That brings me to his potential  future replacement.   Cruden is at best average - under pressure really not nice to see.  Barrett is a playe in the mould of Jantjies and Cooper - players I do not really rate at all.   As far as I am concerned they are also not producing 10% of what Carter at his prime produced.

Without McCaw and Carter the All Blacks are not the same team.   They recently tried to open up the game constantly and make the forwards run like backline players (way to often leading to handling errors)   - but they do not do the hard graft up front.   This in the past was basically where players like McCaw and other senior players did the work.   When they did try to do that recently - the end result normally were far too many penalties for illegal play.   

The problem here is that the senior players in the team - typified by McCaw and Carter - in the past helped the team to attain greatness - but the senior players are getting too old to perform on a regular basis and the juniors coming through to replace them are not up to their standards.   This is nothing new in rugby.   It happened in 2007 with the POMS and in 2011 with the Springboks 

In fact I believe that the future lies with the younger teams like Australia and South Africa and not with a team comprising in what i call "rugby geriattics".   We will seee what will happen next year.        


Brycy

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RE: "Great" team fails to cross the line against injury riddled Aussie outfit!
October 21, 2012, 08:58:05

..not so clever mike ...you yarpies had the geriatrics at the world cup which is why you lost to Wales and Samoa in my book without even talking about Australia and the Rt Hon Sir Brycy lawrence..

Chiefs Stars Cane is perfectly able and plans are in their genisis for his succesion..

..and Cruden will prove to be as good if not better than Dan the man.. WTF are you on about...yr rambling...


clevermike

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RE: "Great" team fails to cross the line against injury riddled Aussie outfit!
October 21, 2012, 09:02:51

brycy

Just a bit of advice - before any New Zealand supporter commented on the game yesterday - I wrote that they would blame the referee - so don't make a fool of yourself.    You blame SA supporters for attacking Bryce Lawrence - but do worse than we ever did in your verbal attack on Joubert.    By the way - the All Blacks are really being penalized far too often by other refs as well - normally for similar indiscretions by the forwards - so don't blame Joubert for that - they bring it onto themselves. 

Then as to your hero Cruden and the fact that he had the highest total points in Super 15.   The second highest point scorer in that competition was in fact Morne Steyn (recently had a slump in goalkicking that really had an detrimental effect on his point scoring in that competition)  - but virtually nobody in SA wants Morne Steyn as flyhalf of the Springboks. 

Cruden when he did play in internationals for the All Blacks was really a bad joke - nothing special at all.   Boklogic may be right by saying that Barrett is a better proposition - but the latter is still not 10% what carter was in his prime.


Brycy

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RE: "Great" team fails to cross the line against injury riddled Aussie outfit!
October 21, 2012, 09:12:24

....sorry not so clever mike but did'nt realise you had a monopoly on critical analysis...re Aaron Cruden, his stats suggest otherwise to what you have erroneously stated...without Cruden yr just playing our B team which only beat you recently btw..LMAO


clevermike

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RE: "Great" team fails to cross the line against injury riddled Aussie outfit!
October 21, 2012, 09:14:11

Brycy

I know you admire the Chiefs player as a loyal supporter - but the same comments as to Cruden applies to Cane as well.   Good on Super 15 level - but has thus far showed zero when he came on for the All Blacks.   Not worth much compared to McCaw.  The only positive thing about Cane is he is young and MAY develop further - so lets hope for the best insofar as he is concerned.

Cruden is average with no indication of further future development potential - that is the real difference with Cane.   By the way no comments on Retallick after all my negative comments about his performances?   Where is your loyalty to the Chiefs now??????????


clevermike

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RE: "Great" team fails to cross the line against injury riddled Aussie outfit!
October 21, 2012, 09:28:27

Brycy

Let me explain something to you - I went to France in 2007 to watch the Springboks in the WC - but heavily criticized the Springbok team selected for the 2011 WC based on the age factor  and refused an invitation to go to New Zealand and watch them play.   In that respect I fully concur with what you said.

I however, blamed the Springboks themselves for the loss against the Wallabies - despite the indication that Lawrence was a complete idiot insofar as reffing of the game is concerned.

Yes I do criticize and analyse players and certainly do not have the sole right to do that.   However, my criticsm is based on facts as I see them - others are fully entitled to have a different point of view.


Papamoa

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RE: "Great" team fails to cross the line against injury riddled Aussie outfit!
October 21, 2012, 10:11:54

Boklogic...AB did play terribly didnt deserve the win Hansen has said,the ugliest test hes been involved in. Was a bad game,  but hey we cant all be the best...you know like the Springboks are. 16 in a row still not bad. Wait to see next year who holds the cup above there heads.


Papamoa

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RE: "Great" team fails to cross the line against injury riddled Aussie outfit!
October 21, 2012, 10:11:55

Boklogic...AB did play terribly didnt deserve the win Hansen has said,the ugliest test hes been involved in. Was a bad game,  but hey we cant all be the best...you know like the Springboks are. 16 in a row still not bad. Wait to see next year who holds the cup above there heads.


clevermike

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RE: "Great" team fails to cross the line against injury riddled Aussie outfit!
October 21, 2012, 10:16:16

Papamoa

When i wrote about the test shortly after the game - I said much the same as was now said by Hansen - I said it was not worth watching.    Glad I was not the only critical person in this case.

Renewal program is what will have to happen more drastically next year - I hope Hansen realizes that.


Denny

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RE: "Great" team fails to cross the line against injury riddled Aussie outfit!
October 21, 2012, 10:20:19

It's quite remarkable how a non rugby nation can be par for the course against a full blooded rugby nation and current world champions side. The Bok record of 17 straight wins remains intact, hats off to the Ozzies.


Papamoa

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RE: "Great" team fails to cross the line against injury riddled Aussie outfit!
October 21, 2012, 10:38:31

it was a pointless test with a deserving pointless end. AB didnt deserve to win bad performance on both sides really. world records never been a priority in NZ rugby winning is!!! and coming up short in any test is unexceptable . Denny that chestnut about our rugby nation is pointless rember this my friend..how many kiwis in the Wallabies side look it up it may shock you,  that ozzie team would struggle without some of them. Take Harris thanks to his boot you came up with a draw. NZ pop is 4 million 4 million that doesn't mean 4 million people play F####king rugby were a small suburb by Australian standards.


poi-e

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RE: "Great" team fails to cross the line against injury riddled Aussie outfit!
October 21, 2012, 12:38:58

Love seeing the Saffas dining out on a draw in a dead rubber match not even involving their team, pathetic.  Well done Oz on the draw, next stop the Bledisloe cup, havent held that for like what? 10 years.  Truth is NZ has propped up Australian rugby for decades now....how many Kiwis have filled the gaps in their shithouse expansion sides in the S15 for example.


Boklogic

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RE: "Great" team fails to cross the line against injury riddled Aussie outfit!
October 21, 2012, 12:42:32

 All of a sudden its dead rubber..Ha ha you guys are a joke..There is never a dead rubber test..Its all about pride and AB's had it all to play for. The record, Steve Hansen's dad..So much.. As per, they choked at the final hurdle..Craig Joubert couldnt help them this time ;-)

 

Its easy for a supporter to call dead rubber but trust me, the players didnt see it that way...


poi-e

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RE: "Great" team fails to cross the line against injury riddled Aussie outfit!
October 21, 2012, 12:47:17

 We're a joke - we're not the one's living vicariously through the efforts of the Aussies because your own feeble team can't even win a match away from home or at home against the AB's...enjoy the dram though, hope the Wallaby jersey fits snug...bitches.

 

Enjoy (a distant) 3rd place


Boklogic

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RE: "Great" team fails to cross the line against injury riddled Aussie outfit!
October 21, 2012, 12:55:35

 start again AB's..Thats all we happy about...I am just glad all you kiwi "bitches" have egg on your face because you didnt give the wallabies a hope in hell..Ha haits a long drop from the top..

 

We will enjoy 3rd, you guys do the same with 1st...(while it lasts)..


hakwa

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RE: "Great" team fails to cross the line against injury riddled Aussie outfit!
October 21, 2012, 12:57:11

 


poi-e

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RE: "Great" team fails to cross the line against injury riddled Aussie outfit!
October 21, 2012, 12:58:48

 Oh we will, when you're undefeated for over 12 months you sleep a little easier than someone who's team is on a 0/0 winning streak, living in a nation whose Rugby team continues to make his team their Sunday afternoon playthings...

 

 


Boklogic

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RE: "Great" team fails to cross the line against injury riddled Aussie outfit!
October 21, 2012, 13:02:00

 I hope u all happy living in the past because you are going to need to in order to find your glory days..Boks showed enough this year, especially dunedin, to keep us optimistic..Hey, maybe next year we might get a few kicks over and things will be so different...


poi-e

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RE: "Great" team fails to cross the line against injury riddled Aussie outfit!
October 21, 2012, 13:08:51

 Enjoy your pipe-dreams...hey at least you have 12 months to come up with new excuses, make them original next time your bossed at home by the Spiritual Guardians of the game.


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