The Ruckers Forum

Forum » Rugby » Springboks » SA beat NZL 31 - 21 in the Gold Coast
Login to reply
 
 
 
2669 Topic: SA beat NZL 31 - 21 in the Gold Coast
Boklogic

Status: Bok regular
Posts: 1950
SA beat NZL 31 - 21 in the Gold Coast
October 13, 2012, 11:46:10

 Commentators reckon SA look the fittest and best team at the 7's. Look how easy we do it with full strength and fit team..We were up 31 -7 at one stage..

 

That will no doubt filter into our 15 man team soon enough. Players will return and we will be back on top in no time!


clevermike

Status: Hall Of Fame
Posts: 12596
RE: SA beat NZL 31 - 21 in the Gold Coast
October 13, 2012, 12:17:10

Boklogic

The Springboks 7 really wiped the floor with the All Blacks 7.   They were 31-7 up and then realized that they have won the game and did not really went for any further tries.

What really tells the whole story is that after 3 matches the All Blacks 7 had a point difference of 9 Points - the point dfference of the Springboks 7 was  76 Points  

Does not look very good for the All Blacks does it?


All Black NZ

Status: Baby Bok
Posts: 105
RE: SA beat NZL 31 - 21 in the Gold Coast
October 13, 2012, 12:33:20

It's only the first tournament of many in the series and the first day and our sevens team dominates yours even more than we do your 15 a side.

Make the most of it though while you can.  How many 7s titles do you have again?  Thats right 1.  We have 10 out of 13.  Throw in 4 commonwealth golds for good measure. Now thats what you call wiping the floor Mike.


allblacknblue

Status: Baby Bok
Posts: 233
RE: SA beat NZL 31 - 21 in the Gold Coast
October 13, 2012, 14:39:41

Congraduations Bokkee! See it's not all doom n gloom for the bokke monstor. Will surely be a test to see if our lads can come back from a good hiding. I'm hopeing they will replay it here in Saudi.


moolaa

Status: Bok regular
Posts: 666
RE: SA beat NZL 31 - 21 in the Gold Coast
October 13, 2012, 22:06:04

 Well done Boks 7s team!

Now that's how you compliment a team Mikey. You don't then follow up with a diatribe about how "worried" you are about the state of the winner's rugby and can it last!


Sharkbok

Status: Senior player
Posts: 3603
RE: SA beat NZL 31 - 21 in the Gold Coast
October 13, 2012, 23:23:29

 No time like the present. Past records are nice to put on the mantle but savouring victory it better as the saying goes you are as good as your last game


clevermike

Status: Hall Of Fame
Posts: 12596
RE: SA beat NZL 31 - 21 in the Gold Coast
October 14, 2012, 01:57:38

Moofaa

I do believe that for a number of years the All Blacks 7 team was ruling the roost in that format of the game.   This year they brought in quite a number of younger players and it showed on yesterday.   The real problem is that no  renewal programme was in evidence for years - and when renewal became necessary the team showed real problems.

This is in reality shown up by the points difference issue in particular.   The opposition scored too many points against the All Blacks - showing defensive deficiencies - and the attacking play was also problematic.   However, there is a bright side as well - the team can only improve and I am sure it will.  

The same is likely to happen with the 15 man version of the game - so be careful as to the renewal program essential in that case.


All Black NZ

Status: Baby Bok
Posts: 105
RE: SA beat NZL 31 - 21 in the Gold Coast
October 14, 2012, 03:25:53

 Yes 6 new players are getting blooded. It's only the first round of a 14 series tournament far to early to come to any conclusions.  Gordon Tietjens is very good at blooding new talent and every year has aditions and we have dominated for 13 years because of this so I dont see where you are going with this renewal stuff tietjens does it better than anyone  With the up and down nature of the sevens it's the most consistent team of the series that will win the title.   The New Zealand team will be strengthened after the Itm cup. 


All Black NZ

Status: Baby Bok
Posts: 105
RE: SA beat NZL 31 - 21 in the Gold Coast
October 14, 2012, 08:53:28

All Blacks Fiji Final looks like you were a bit premature mike and shark.  South Africa knocked out in semi.  You shouldn't get to carried until you have actually won something as I said was only the beginning of first tournament.  Renewal working fine!


sasuke uchiha

Status: Rugby Legend
Posts: 5824
RE: SA beat NZL 31 - 21 in the Gold Coast
October 14, 2012, 09:08:59

 cmon boys, i know u guys ard keen to see SA follow up on the JRboks sucess and get a win over NZ, but chicks before theyre hatched??? o_O

a lot of the NZ players are coming of the back of the ITM, plus there are plenty of new faces as well. unlike the All Blacks, NZ 7s ardnt expected to win every game, but they are exoected to win the 7s title by the end of the year.

 

fiji are the form team of the gold coast 7s, plenty of new faces and they are playing good footy, while NZ are stfuggling to synergise with their new guys.

fiji are favourites to win gold coast, but NZ have done well all thjngs considering.

 

GO ALL BLACK 7s!!!

 


Boklogic

Status: Bok regular
Posts: 1950
RE: SA beat NZL 31 - 21 in the Gold Coast
October 14, 2012, 09:13:53

 NZL will never be bad at 7's. Far too much talent in the country and Tietjiens is no idiot. He is the best 7's brain in the world. They just need some time together to build into it. The main thing is they are winning when it counts.

 

They are going to have a tough time against Fiji but you never know. Must remember the final is 10 mins each way and that extra 6 mins will feel like an eternity after 2 long days of rugby. NZL can win it on fitness I think.


moolaa

Status: Bok regular
Posts: 666
RE: SA beat NZL 31 - 21 in the Gold Coast
October 14, 2012, 10:03:24

 So you've suddenly abandoned Mr Hyde Logic in favour of Dr Jekyll?

You really are a weird bloke!


All Black NZ

Status: Baby Bok
Posts: 105
RE: SA beat NZL 31 - 21 in the Gold Coast
October 14, 2012, 10:13:27

England lost to Spain in bowl Final now thats something we can all be happy about.


Boklogic

Status: Bok regular
Posts: 1950
RE: SA beat NZL 31 - 21 in the Gold Coast
October 14, 2012, 10:36:30

 Once again Moolaa..Very wrong. As previously stated, I never attack AB teams. We respect what these players do. Its the kiwi's that call us "useless" and all the rest. If people are speaking rugby without personal [removed], I would happily join in and talk rugby. 

I just cant take you and chump seriously...


clevermike

Status: Hall Of Fame
Posts: 12596
RE: SA beat NZL 31 - 21 in the Gold Coast
October 14, 2012, 11:47:47

Sasu

you must be disappointed in the performance in the whole compeition.   They were bad in the Group matches - ending up with a point difference of only 9 - then they played Argentina and Kenya and barely managed to win in the quarters and semis by a very small margin and lost badly in the final against Fiji - that shows a degree of negative consistency.

Fiji turned out to be the winners in this case - but New Zealand was nowhere near being competitive.   What did I say about a replacement programme?   I still believe the same could  easily happen to the All Blacks 15 team as well.     


Boklogic

Status: Bok regular
Posts: 1950
RE: SA beat NZL 31 - 21 in the Gold Coast
October 14, 2012, 12:00:24

 Mike, to be fair, its not a replacement programme they need. They need another Carter and McCaw..When those two are not playing, their team is totally different. Nonu is not scary. He was shocking in Super rugby this year. He looked like he had no idea. Conrad Smith will always put in a solid game but he is not going to change a game ala Robbie Fruean. He just does the basics really well. Carter is what makes that backline tick and its so noticeable when he is not there. Cruden is the epitomy of average and is really the reverse of Carter. He needs Kerr-Barlow, SBW and Kahui around him. What the Boks need to worry about is that Barrett doesnt step up because he can be the next Carter.

 

With McCaw out of the pack, it weakens an already not so strong AB's pack. Reality is these guys are going to leave and there is no real clear favourites to replace them. AB's need to give up with the Cruden experiment. He is never going to be what they expect him to be. He doesnt have it in him. 


poi-e

Status: Bok regular
Posts: 778
RE: SA beat NZL 31 - 21 in the Gold Coast
October 14, 2012, 12:31:27

" but New Zealand was nowhere near being competitive"

 

You know even less about 7s than you do about 15s (if that was even possible) Mike so spare the board more of your inane ramblings you complete half wit - a sevens replacement program??  So of course you're aware of the number of NZ Sevens players still committed to the ITM cup right?


clevermike

Status: Hall Of Fame
Posts: 12596
RE: SA beat NZL 31 - 21 in the Gold Coast
October 14, 2012, 13:24:36

poi-e

Please I was talking about the team that was playng in the tournament - not the feeble excuses throwing in the ITM.   The same was said about the Under 20/s - certain players were not allowed to play.

Instead of admitting that the team was nowehere near to par - the feeble excuses are bandied about.   That really is a problem with the All Blavk supporters on this Board - they can never recognise when there are problems with the performances of the teams representing New Zealand - they always find meaningless excuses .   That short of myopea can only harm New ealand Rugby as a whole in the longer term..  . 


poi-e

Status: Bok regular
Posts: 778
RE: SA beat NZL 31 - 21 in the Gold Coast
October 14, 2012, 13:47:30

My god you're thick, my problem with you Mike is that you claim to be an admirer of NZ rugby but take every opportunity to stick the boot in.  So far today you've told NZ fans we should NZ needs to look at it's 'replacement program' for our sevens team....ummm our Sevens team had 6 new faces due to injury and ITM cup commitments that you conveniently ignore, no matter we still finished a spot above you...then you start to throw pot shots at our under 20 squad, a squad that the NZRU made a policy of NOT picking eligible S15 players, still managed to make the final of the tournament we'd won on the previous 4 occassions....The Baby Boks won, congratulations, but all signs point to a healthy state of our rugby, as much as that rips your undies....

 

But those things aside, what wears thin is you in particular constantly telling us we should be worried about our rugby while yours is on the up and up.  And you base this on opinion passed off as fact, frankly you make yourself look a complete knob.   And forgive me for finding you having a go at us Kiwis for making 'feeble excuses' a tad on the rich side, especially after the AB's trumped the Boks twice this year (and 6 from the last 7) all we've heard from you lot is how you're the moral champions after a semi decent away performance in Dunedin where the AB's outscored you 2 tries to 1.

 

You're not fooling anyone Mike, you're a poor imitation of the biggest Anti AB troll on this board, Beeno.  And I note you're yet to offer a retraction for accusing Keiren Read of intentially injuring Johan Goosen 24 minutes into the test match.


clevermike

Status: Hall Of Fame
Posts: 12596
RE: SA beat NZL 31 - 21 in the Gold Coast
October 14, 2012, 16:06:58

poi-e

I want o ask you one question - have you ever hreard of the term "critical [removed]ysis"?   I think that you are the dumb ones on the board - the people that ifnore anything that could even remotely imply pointing out of shortcomings.

You have apparently never seen what I wrote about SA Teams - have you?   When I wrote anything even mildly critical of some of the New Zealand efforts - I suddenly am suddenly "sticking in the Boot".   I am not a person that does ptau on my knees and shout obedience to any humsn being - whether he is an All Black or Springbok rugby player or the Pope..   If they in my opinion are not shaping up or I botice a trend in their performqance I am going to remark on it - whether you like it or not.

By the way you indeed make a garce of your comments on the Board.   Read again what I said about Read - I NEVER SAID HE DELIVERATELY INJURED GOOSEN - I SAID HE MADE A REMARK about TARGETTING GOOSEN in the test.

Whether you like ot or not I am studying the test video virtually frame by frame to see whether the tarferring netials anything wrong and will not hessitate to write a full report on this site if I find anything really wrong or illegal.    In the meantime I never said anything about anybody  doing anything irregular in the relevant regard - especially not Read.

Last question - do you understand English at all?

 


poi-e

Status: Bok regular
Posts: 778
RE: SA beat NZL 31 - 21 in the Gold Coast
October 14, 2012, 18:33:25

I look at the incidents carefully - especially since Read said they are going to target Goosen and wanted to ascertain whether the incidents was not cauuse deliberately in an effort to make sure that Goosen is out of the game.    

hope I am wrong and will admit so openly if I am

 

I understand English, seems you don't understand what you write you dumb post, I reviewed the incident also, Goosen is injured at minute 37:22 in this video, around minute 24:23 of the match.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMEwL6u8MC4&feature=plcp

 

I'd like to see if you have the sack to apologise, oh and I hardly call what you spout off 'critical [removed]ysis' that would imply some degree of [removed]ysis of facts, you said Richie was average in Dunedin this year despite his stats clearly showing he outplayed every loose forward on the park, when confronted by this you run a mile...like I said you are a poor man's Beeno

 


Sharkbok

Status: Senior player
Posts: 3603
RE: SA beat NZL 31 - 21 in the Gold Coast
October 14, 2012, 19:15:02

poi-e.

Are you male or female?    I was just wondering as you have a picture of a girl as your avatar. Also why does the picture of the girl say boy on it? I wasnt sure how to address you.   No offence, I was just wondering.


poi-e

Status: Bok regular
Posts: 778
RE: SA beat NZL 31 - 21 in the Gold Coast
October 14, 2012, 19:28:38

 I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that's a serious question...

 


clevermike

Status: Hall Of Fame
Posts: 12596
RE: SA beat NZL 31 - 21 in the Gold Coast
October 14, 2012, 19:30:23

poi-e

Where in the quotation in your message above did I say anything about Read  or make a direct accusarion of foul play by the All Black players?    I said I am reviewing the fame frame by frame to see whether there was in fact foul play.   There was one incident that I did see and that was with Frank which raised my suspicions - so leabe it at that for the time being.   If I do come to a conclusion about the issue - you woll soon enough know that - provided with full reasons for it as well.

In the meantime please do not come and claim that I wrote something which I did not write.


Sharkbok

Status: Senior player
Posts: 3603
RE: SA beat NZL 31 - 21 in the Gold Coast
October 14, 2012, 19:38:46

 @ poi-e. I was not aware your avatar was a movie character. thanks for the info. 


poi-e

Status: Bok regular
Posts: 778
RE: SA beat NZL 31 - 21 in the Gold Coast
October 14, 2012, 19:44:12

I look at the incidents carefully - especially since Read said they are going to target Goosen and wanted to ascertain whether the incidents was not cauuse deliberately in an effort to make sure that Goosen is out of the game.    

There were two incidents - the one where the initial injury happened and the second one when it was apparently aggravated In both cases  an All Black player did not try to protect the ball in the hands of the tackled player - they went for Goosen and actually fell on top of him at least a meter from where the ball was. - the way in which it was done was to bend his knee in a way that he could not possibly escape injury


 I looked it the incidents carefully and became suspicious about the situation

 

Well you mention Read as saying the AB's were going to target Goosen and given he was involved in the incindent where Goosen was injured you don't have to be a lawyer to understand you're implicating Read in your suspicion.  Your words, your suspicions of foul play, don't hide from what you've said just cause they've been found to have no foundation.  You've been directed to the exact second that Goosen was injured in the match, you've not posted up any video references to back up your claim, you said you would admit if you were wrong, I doubt you have the sack. Troll.


poi-e

Status: Bok regular
Posts: 778
RE: SA beat NZL 31 - 21 in the Gold Coast
October 14, 2012, 19:56:57

 @sharkbok, no problem


Beeno1

Status: Hall Of Fame
Posts: 11707
RE: SA beat NZL 31 - 21 in the Gold Coast
October 15, 2012, 09:05:57

Fo those of you you did no tsee our sevens side thrashing the nz oaks 0myself inlcuded) here is an account of the match ex keo:

The Springbok Sevens eased to a 31-21 victory over New Zealand to secure an unbeaten run on day one of the Gold Coast Sevens.

In the Pool A decider, Paul Treu’s men excelled against the World Series defending champions.

After a disappointing campaign last season, which saw South Africa fail to secure a tournament victory, the Blitzboks displayed an all-round improvement and maturity.

Where there was once panic and hesitancy on attack, the Springbok Sevens were slick and with ball in hand. Their once shaky guard has been replaced with an effective defensive system. And while the New Zealanders were superior in size, South Africa’s intelligence and tactics in general play allowed them to hold the ascendancy.

Former IRB Sevens Player of the Year Cecil Afrika played a big part on attack and showed why he’s regarded as one of the top stars on the circuit. He was well supported by veterans Paul Delport, Branco du Preez, Frankie Horne, Steven Hunt and Chris Dry, while newbies Cornal Hendricks, Stephen Dippenaar and Ruwellyn Isbel also made impressive contributions.

This saw the Blitzbok camp inside the Kiwi’s red zone in the first stanza, with Hendricks, Delport and Horne scoring tries. New Zealand crossed the chalk after the half-time hooter as wing Tim Mikkelson raced to the corner from a free-kick tap.

South Africa led 19-7 at the break.

In the second stanza, Delport and Dippenaar sealed the win as they dotted down. New Zealand grabbed consolation tries via Iopu Iopu and Rhys Llewellyn.

The Springbok Sevens will meet France in the Cup quarter-finals on day two.

Earlier in the day, the Blitzboks claimed back-to-back group wins as they downed USA 33-5.

Matt Hawkins put the Americans into an early lead, but it was all South Africa thereafter. Tshotsho Mbovane hit back for Paul Treu’s charges, and Du Preez’s conversion secured a 7-5 half-time lead.

Tries from Du Preez, Dry, Kyle Brown and Delport in the second stanza sealed an easy triumph.

In their first match, the Springbok Sevens cruised to a 38-0 win over Canada.

Hendricks starred for the victors, grabbing a hat-trick. Hunt, Mbovane and Dry also crossed the chalk as South Africa scored six tries in the one-sided contest

All ver ysatisfactory. Please note the word intelligence nz oaks. Bwahahhahahahaha

 

 


Beeno1

Status: Hall Of Fame
Posts: 11707
RE: SA beat NZL 31 - 21 in the Gold Coast
October 15, 2012, 09:08:54

MIke I can truly appreciate your concern regarding a possibility of foul play. After the Bl/Paddy debacle (and all tha thas gone in prior years) one has to be on ones guard.

Its a pity someone like Card cannot do a detaled [removed]ysis of the injuries to Burger, Bissie and now Goosen. The sting is in the detail.


Ka Mate

Status: Orange peeler
Posts: 34
RE: SA beat NZL 31 - 21 in the Gold Coast
October 15, 2012, 09:18:15

NZ: Silver

SA: Bronze

 

It's hilarious that you chaps are having to turn to 7s rugby in your fruitless search for rugby glory but even there you are outperformed by the ABs.


clevermike

Status: Hall Of Fame
Posts: 12596
RE: SA beat NZL 31 - 21 in the Gold Coast
October 15, 2012, 09:57:09

Ka Mate

The silver and bronze issue had nothing to do with the total picture at all.   The All Black 7's lost badly against SA, they managed to have a PD of only 9 after the round Robin Matches 9 the Springbok point difference was 74), they struggled to beat Argentina and Kenya in the quarter and semi- final games and played very badly in the finals.  

Incidentally the Springboks 7's have only themselves to blame - they really played an idiotic game in the semi-final against Fiji.   That was similar to the idiocy displayed against New Zealand last year in Port Elizabeth in the final..   So I do criticize them as well - and severly so..


Ka Mate

Status: Orange peeler
Posts: 34
RE: SA beat NZL 31 - 21 in the Gold Coast
October 15, 2012, 10:37:15

So you're saying that points difference is more important than making it to the final? Okay, I didn't know that about 7s rugby but thanks.


clevermike

Status: Hall Of Fame
Posts: 12596
RE: SA beat NZL 31 - 21 in the Gold Coast
October 15, 2012, 11:10:35

Ka Mate

My posting relates to a poor display by the All Blavk 7's team in the tournament as a whole and my criticism of the Springbok players shows that I am not one-ided ar all. 

Indicentally getting to the final and then losing badly is not really what I expect drom a New Zealnd team - at least they should show some fighting spirit under such cir[removed]stances.


Leave a reply:

You need to be logged in to leave a reply.
 
 

From The Sideline