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Beeno1

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Something for the Jantjes knockers to digest
October 09, 2012, 14:45:58

Ex gavin Rich of Supersport

If you're reading this column because you think the headline is an indication I am calling on Heyneke Meyer to play Pat Lambie at flyhalf, I am sorry to disappoint.

The call is not to the Springbok coach, but to Sharks coach John Plumtree, who by playing Lambie at fullback for most of Super Rugby effectively ruled him out of consideration for the pivot position in Meyer’s team. (Well of course he should play flyhalf - if you can get Plumtree to listen)

“What about Lambie?” was a whisper that came out of Durban when Meyer decided to entrust young Johan Goosen with the No 10 jersey after he finally accepted that Morne Steyn needed to be excluded from his team.

Well what about him? If he’s not playing flyhalf for his franchise or provincial team, you can hardly then push for him to play that position for his country. Sorry, but if there is one thing that Meyer definitely has right, it is his line that he is not going to play Lambie as a flyhalf if he is not playing there for his province.

So in answer to the incredulous email I received from someone who rates himself highly as a commentator on South African rugby but lives overseas, and asked how Meyer could possibly play Elton Jantjies and Zane Kirchner in key positions, I have to forward a question of my own – if you don’t play Jantjies, who do you play?

It can’t be Lambie if he is not playing there for his union (Bit of a red herring as Lambie could play for the sharks and could go on tour and play flyhalf regardless), and frankly if you don’t know what Jantjies is capable of as a flyhalf, then it underlines the problems associated with being a critic on matters related to South African rugby when you live many thousands of kilometres away.

Had the person in question been at Soccer City this past Saturday he would have heard the rousing reception Jantjies received when he came onto the field. He would also have heard how the noise in the stadium reached a crescendo when he was called up to take a kick for goal.

The message in all that was that most South Africans who live here and have seen Jantjies play flyhalf for the Lions week in and week out during the Currie Cup and Super Rugby seasons know what his abilities are. He may play for a struggling union, but like Lambie did in 2010, he helped spearhead a Currie Cup title for that union in 2011.

And the respected coaches who have worked with him, such as former All Black mentor John Mitchell, as well I am told as former Bok World Cup-winning flyhalf Butch James, are quite emphatic that he is good enough to play international rugby. (Please note Mike)

There are still aspects of his game that Jantjies needs working on, but then you would say the same about both Lambie and Goosen. The last mentioned is definitely the man for the future and for the 2015 World Cup, but all the flyhalves are a work in progress and Jantjies, apart from his playing ability, seems to have a good head on his shoulders. As the pack had simply run out of puff by the second half, he can’t be blamed for the defeat at Soccer City. (The defence was a shambles the pack did enough but I agree they were tired - player management has been non existent)

My backing of Jantjies is a change from a year ago. After what Lambie did for the Sharks in 2010, I thought he was the business. But if the Sharks really rate Lambie highly as a potential match-winning flyhalf, they should not be playing anyone else ahead of him (fully agree and Plumtree's playing the Frenchmen Michalak ahead of Lambie was a major blunder from a Bok point of view), particularly when Louis Ludik has shown that he is as good as any fullback currently playing in that position in this country.

So if South African rugby is going to gain anything from a sudden full-strength snippet of Currie Cup that frankly is counter-productive to the Springboks and the national good, let’s see Lambie play flyhalf in these remaining weeks. (Absolutely - he also is one player not needing a rest)

It looks as though injury is going to force Goosen to miss the end of year tour, and unless Meyer goes back to Steyn or to Peter Grant, who I am also starting to change my mind about now that I am seeing what the Boks might need to become more of an attacking force, that really does leave only Jantjies.

Jantjies says he is ready, I believe he is ready, and deep down I think the same of Lambie. But if the Lambie supporters want to give Meyer food for thought, their man has to wear the No 10 for his province and do what he did so effectively in 2010. If he doesn’t, his capabilities will start becoming a myth rather than any sort of fact.

Sharkies have messed this one up big time. Its about on a par with the Frans Steyn/ Ruan Pienaar debacle. 


 


mozart

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RE: Something for the Jantjes knockers to digest
October 09, 2012, 15:16:40

Jeez Beeno, you have really lost the plot. This tiny little clone of Wilkinson and Cooper is never going to make it in test rugby. He was irrelevant on Saturday. Lambie by contrast has a heart of oak. What the hell does it matter if his provincial coach preferred the Frenchman.


clevermike

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RE: Something for the Jantjes knockers to digest
October 09, 2012, 15:43:49

Mozart

Gavin Rich simply adores Janthies - he can't do anything wrong according to Rich.   You know and I have seen that Jantjies is the latest version of Earl Rose - matter of fact I prefer Rose to him.   His defence is atrocious - on Saturday he never went forward to try and tackle All Black players.   The stats may indicate otherwise - but I cannot remember him making one successful tackle on Saturday.   This is nothing new though - if you watch the CC games he has the same tendency hiding behind the loosies.   He mostly do not tackle at all - look again at the attempted tackle of McCabe last week - the fact is that he was lieing on his stomach on the grass - while the tackle was in fact made by Coetzee.   

Jantjies'  play on Saturday was so bad that the players after three passes to him - which he buggered up - cut him out completely by passing the ball to other players than him.   This is a first ever - I have never seen anything like this by any Springboks in the past.   Just look again - Pienaar in two cases passed the ball directly to De Villiers.

Jantjies is atrocious under high balls when he thinks there could be pressure applied - he simply let balls bounce in front of him - would not attempt any catching of the ball at all.

In essence I believe Jantjies is afraid of contact with the opposition.   He gets rid of the ball quickly so as to avoid being tackled and his passes often can best be described as hospital passes..  


Rugby107

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RE: Something for the Jantjes knockers to digest
October 09, 2012, 16:13:22

Clevermike, Jantjies is defenitely not scared of contact, he takes defenders on. he also made some good tackles on Saturday.I dont think Jantjies can be the new bok 10, but comparing him to Rose makes no sense. Please look at the game again. He isnt the greatest of defenders, but still better than Morne and on par with Goosen. Lambie's defence is very underrated though.

 


Rugby107

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RE: Something for the Jantjes knockers to digest
October 09, 2012, 16:13:24

duplicate

 


Rugby107

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RE: Something for the Jantjes knockers to digest
October 09, 2012, 16:13:26

duplicate

 


sasuke uchiha

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RE: Something for the Jantjes knockers to digest
October 09, 2012, 19:17:40

i was super impressed with janties during the 2011 CC, and i saw him put on some good hits in the finals, but that lions team was playing with some confidence, and it showed in everything that they did, disposing of the stormers and sharks with what tome was amazing ease.

the flaws in janties games are well noted, but his current skill sets are not mentioned by too many in a positive manner and i expect janties and goosen to battle hard for the incumbent Bok fly half position in years to come and its going to be a lot closer then people will intially think, but IMO 2 years down the road, janties and goosen will have this board split down the middle as to who should be the incumbent.

i remember a one on one tackle that janties did on a lock in the match against the sharks i think (would love to be able to downlaod that game if anyone has a link) and he repeatedly hit the ball up creating a wealth of attcking options for the lions.
he failed to deliver in the 2012 spXV, but as mentioned in the article, he was playing in a very weak team, and when a weak team goes up against a good team, players never look as good as they really are, just ask any of the Boks from last sat game, LMFAO,,,just kidding boys, :P

i wouldnt right of janties, but iver read many reports now saying that goosen was near 100% fit for the All Blacks game and that makes me think if he was fit, is he going to be another colin slade or heinrich brusoow???

 


sasuke uchiha

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RE: Something for the Jantjes knockers to digest
October 09, 2012, 19:54:36

@ben10,

what a load of rubbish from u and that article. plumtree started lambie at flyhalf for the first 5 games of the year, until he needed to go on a date with the tooth fairy which put him out of the game for two weeks where michilak started at 10.

when lambie returned he played flyhalf again for the sharks for their next 4 matches where he again started at flyhalf and then recieved a head knock during the force game and was forced out due to injury from the sharks next match against the cheetahs.
he returned the following week to play the stormers, where he started at 15 and freddy michilak for the first time of the season was picked at 10 ahead of an injury free lambie, and this proved a master stroke as plumtrees boys gave the stormers their 3rd loss of the season.
freddie was then picked ahead of lambie for their next game which was the2nd and only time of the year to date, before lambie went on Bok duties where h got injured AGAIN and then missed out on the sharks bulls darby match but returned for the hsraks final match of the year before the finals which BTW, lambie was again missing (this time for period pains i think, what a girl) for the qualifying and smei finals before returning to get stomped byt the spXV chaps the chiefs.

FYI freddy at the latter half of the season was with cruden the two form flyhalves of the competiton and why it makes obvious sense to start freddie over lambie.

but to break down the numbers for u, its like this, sharks played a total of 19 games in the 2012 spXV.

of the 19 games lambie was injured for 6 of them, so he playe dof the sharks 13 times

of the 13 times that lambie played for the sharks, he started at flyhalf 9 times.

WTF are u on and this numbskull journalist on about with lambie didnt get enough chances to play 10??? he got plenty of chances bro, but like what is a common theme amongts many saffa players, he didnt make the most of them.

can anyone tell me who won the sharks player fo the year BTW??? im pretty sure it was freddy, but i could be wrong. if he was, mroe eveidnece of ben10s numbskullery, but unlike the SARUs trophy cabinet, that evidence locker is all full up, :P
 


 


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