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World Champs

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EOYT last hope for HM
October 09, 2012, 03:00:14

Its looking increasingly worrying for Meyer particuarly adfter such a very poor effort from the Boks this year and the fact that they were destroyed against the AB's last game out.

 

The EOYT will determine if the carry on with him as I think SARU will not let so much failiure carry on. Im picking the French and Eng to beat the Boks easily after they were exposed as one trick ponies

 

Good luck HM but me thinks you wont be back after Xmas hahahahahahahaha

 

 

 

 

 


nukefreekiwi

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RE: EOYT last hope for HM
October 09, 2012, 04:42:11

 Yeah. The EYOT is Meyers last chance to redeem himself. Sadly for SA'n rugby I think things will get a whole lot worse before they start getting better. Bearing in mind that even when SA are on fire they still seem to struggle up north. I'm reminded of 2009, a vintage year most wet panties fanboys are still keen to remind us of, in lieu of any recent achievements.

 

Anyways, my point is, even then after a successful TN they still lost to a couple English club sides,Ireland and France. Even the great duPreez was dropped due a lack of form on that tour.So yeah, I think we haven't seen the worst yet. I also don't think the boks are playing any worse( or better) than any other year. I just think the ABs are playing that much better. Traditionally strong sides look decidedly pedestrian by comparison. So lean times ahead for the Saffa fanboys and I suspect they will have to satiate their desperate desire for positive results by rehashing past glories and picking the fetid carcass of their dubious World Cup successes. 


World Champs

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RE: EOYT last hope for HM
October 09, 2012, 09:56:10

Yeah thanks Nuke great comments and just quantifies my words about HM inability as an international one minded coach who struggles to vary his approach until its too late.

 

Your a smart poster Nuke just  like our kiwi forwrad pack

 

I predict Meyerer to be gone by this time next year - bring back buck oh I meant to say Pete De Villiers greatest ever  coach that SA had


bluebok

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RE: EOYT last hope for HM
October 09, 2012, 10:18:46

Hey Nuke, good to see you scratching at the open South African wounds again. LOL! WC and Nuke, your gloating goes a long way to showing what good sports the pair of you are. As for coaches, I think Meyer will eventually come into his own as coach. He did the same thing when he took over at the Bulls, I took a bit of time, be he eventually developed a very formidable Bulls side. I think he will do the same with the Boks, we must also remember, he took over from the biggest Clown in rugby history, P De Villiers, so he had to start by correcting the mess that PDV he left. It is going to be ugly at first, but with time he'll come right. Remember, the AB structures make for a smooth transition from Super Rugby to the All Blacks, our boys have to re-learn how to play rugby when transitioning from Super Rugby to international rugby.


World Champs

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RE: EOYT last hope for HM
October 09, 2012, 10:26:30

Blue - Hes a cheeky fellow that Nuke hehe


nukefreekiwi

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RE: EOYT last hope for HM
October 09, 2012, 10:31:41

 Lol bb. Yeah because we all know tht this forums Seth Efican bloggers are the( insert sarcastic snigger here) last bastion of good sportsmanship aye?  Hehehe


bluebok

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RE: EOYT last hope for HM
October 09, 2012, 10:41:41

Hahaha yeah, we SA bloggers NEVER have a one-sided view. We are utterly fair in all respects. We even carry this fairness over to provincialism, where we never insult one another over provincial bias.


Beeno1

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RE: EOYT last hope for HM
October 09, 2012, 14:12:22

Pull the Bok squad from the Currie Cup. Give the guys  a breather and we will do well. Play them into the ground as has already been done and we will struggle as we usually do for the very same reason.

We dont even need to invent anything new  - just copy what the abs and oz do. Their players will have a break. Ours MUST also. Add to the fact that the ab players have already been better managed than ours and the whole thing becomes absurdly foolish. No Currie Cup fo the Bok squad to tour

End of Story.


Beeno1

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RE: EOYT last hope for HM
October 09, 2012, 14:19:50

Per keo

JON CARDINELLI writes that the decision to include or exclude Springboks in the Currie Cup should be made in the national team’s best interests.

Welcome to South Africa, where the provincial tail wags the Test dog.

For too long Super Rugby franchises have been permitted to run their Test players into the ground before the Test season has even commenced. And for too long, those players have been forced to play in the final rounds of the Currie Cup.

Last week, Heyneke Meyer admitted that New Zealand has got it right in terms of player management. He didn’t go so far as to say South Africa is getting it wrong, as a statement like that may have been constituted as a slur against his employers.

But then he didn’t have to. Those of us with eyes and ears will know that the current system is geared towards ensuring the success of the provinces rather than that of the national team.

Right now we should be talking about which Springboks should play in the Currie Cup, and which players should rest ahead of the European tour. It should never be a case of the provinces forcing every one of their Test stars to compete at this stage of the season.

It’s true that the provinces have ambitions to win titles, but those ambitions should be considered secondary to the sustained success of the Springboks.

I’m not talking about dealing in absolutes. It does nobody any good to say that every Bok must play Currie Cup rugby, or that every Bok player must be excused.

There are players returning from injury who desperately need the game time, as well as the bit-part players who haven’t featured much in the Rugby Championship who could use the opportunity to sharpen their game.

Jaco Taute started the last two Tests, but would still benefit from an extended run at outside centre for the Lions. Taute’s inexperience in this channel has been clear over the last two matches, and he needs to come to terms with his defensive responsibilities if he is going to feature there for the Boks in November.

Some say that the returning Boks should have to prove themselves before replacing an existing Currie Cup player. What nonsense.

The Currie Cup is the lower tier, it’s an opportunity for younger and less experienced players to prove themselves ahead of the Super Rugby season. It should also provide top players returning from injury with a chance to regain their fitness or sharpen their game ahead of the Boks’ end-of-year-tour.

JP Pietersen is sure to benefit from an extended run with the Sharks. The Bok wing injured his thumb ahead of the Rugby Championship, but has since returned to action in the Currie Cup. Come the Tests in November, he won’t be wanting for game time.

Tiaan Liebenberg, Coenie Oosthuizen, Juandre Kruger, Juan de Jongh, and Pat Lambie have been used sparingly in the recent Sanzar tournament. They too will gain much from a run in the Currie Cup.

Of course, there are those that will be forced to play for overseas clubs in the coming weeks, and that is something that Saru cannot change. Francois Louw and Ruan Pienaar have made some valuable contributions to the Boks this year, and Meyer will be hoping like hell that the pair avoids injury before the Test window reopens in November.

But there are Boks currently in South Africa who shouldn’t be pushed to play. It was reported on Monday Jean de Villiers was nursing two injuries, and that Western Province were still confident that he would feature in their last league match. Why, oh why, should he even be considered?

De Villiers has enjoyed a relatively injury-free 2012, and this has led to him playing the majority of the Super Rugby matches and in all of the Boks’ nine Tests. Why should he be risked in a Currie Cup game when he still has an important role to play on the end-of-year tour? With all the injuries that have plagued the Boks this season, they could ill afford to lose their captain before a tour that is important in terms of results. (How about the benefit of having a decent break!!!!)

I’m not suggesting that WP are to blame. It is the system that is it fault, as when you have a system that allows for the overuse of players at provincial level, then which province is not going to take advantage? ‘Everybody’s doing it, so why shouldn’t we?’ is the mentality. Indeed, why should WP rest De Villiers when, for example, the Sharks are pushing Willem Alberts to play? (THE CRUX OF THE MATTER)

The provinces have a title to win, and that is their mandate. It’s the wrong way to look at things, but then they are only operating within the framework that Saru has provided.

And until Saru gets its priorities right and implements a central contracting system that will prioritise players over provinces, Bok coaches like Meyer will always be operating with depleted national teams.

DEPLETED THROUGH INJURY AND WEARINESS. THIS IS A VITAL ISSUE AND MUST BE ADDRESSED


World Champs

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RE: EOYT last hope for HM
October 09, 2012, 23:48:14

Do you not know how to write succinctly you prat?

 

All you should of said was - Seff Arika eeesss stoolll air bunch ovvff twetts and weer doo eet our vway hahahahahhahahhahah-habana!!!!!


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