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World Champs

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Johaan the glassboy Goosen
October 08, 2012, 21:30:19

Pretty much as we all predicted young Johaan Goosen is the new glassboy of world rugby and it is no surprise that he has been bought in way to early and the fact that he has gained another major injury only typifies the complete lack of ignorance of South African Rugby and its management of its players.

 

I hope the boy is out for 6 months so that he will get time to recover properly or he will have a very short life span in this game. South Africa, Souh Africa you just dont learn do you!!!! 


nukefreekiwi

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RE: Johaan the glassboy Goosen
October 09, 2012, 01:26:00

 Yup all week the saffa fan it's had been talking the goose up as the Great All Black slayer and all week I was ridiculed for my unflattering ( yet honest) assessment of Goosen as a mediocre ( at best) first 5 with a propensity for serious injury. I blame his glass body on his proven banned supplement use as a school boy. I suspect that these supplements may have irrevocably damaged his body. Oh well. I sincerely hope his injury is not too serious. Even though I don't really rate him as anything special I still hate to see a young fella being hobbled by serious injury and poor player management. 

Time to give Lambie and/or jantjies a go. I think jantjies has 10 times more potential than goosen but I doubt South Africa will ever let a blek or cullert player hold such an important position. Sheesh even JdV doesn't have any faith in poor Jantjies by not allowing him to take the penalty line kicks preferring to let peenar kick the ball for touch. 


World Champs

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RE: Johaan the glassboy Goosen
October 09, 2012, 01:48:16

Yeah its funny the young fulla takes a couple of balls to the line against weak opposition and all of a sudden he was tauted as the next Naas Botha - Or SA answer to Dan Carter there were even more silly ramblings about him being better than Aaron Cruden .....lol

 

The last I looked Cruden has won all the games he has been at first five, has an exceptional kicking percentage, scored test tries, ran at the line, kicked strategically and all after only 12 months in  the game. And we read trash about how Goosen is rated above him...now that is just pathetic, dont you think. Can you remind me again where Goosen is at the moment lol


Sharkbok

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RE: Johaan the glassboy Goosen
October 09, 2012, 01:59:16

 Cruden has done nothing at test level against  Australia or South Africa. 

Goosens game against Australia was last week was better than anything Cruden has dished up at test level against Australia.

Take Carter and Mccaw out of the All Blacks and it is a very different team. Mccaw spends most of the game on the wrong side of the ruck lying over the ball.

I think the South African forwards would smash the All Black forwards if Mccaw wasnt playing(or lying on the opposition side of the ruck).

Good play by Mccaw during the bok test over the weekend, when he knocks the ball back and the referee thinks it is a knock on by a bok player who places the ball behind him. Very sporting as he is well aware that a referee cant see that type of stuff it happens so quickly.

That was penalizable for playing the ball on the ground and playing the ball from an offside position. Instead the All Blacks get a scrum and stop another dominant bok forwards recycling. Although it is standard stuff from Richie Mccaw. Our fowards would smash the All Blacks without Mccaw. The standard of referees will improve and so too will the increase of video technology to reverse decisions. Mccaw is lucky he is before this era or he would spent much of the game watching behind the poles. 

This technology is being trialled in this years Currie Cup as often is the case with new Rugby technology. 


mozart

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RE: Johaan the glassboy Goosen
October 09, 2012, 02:01:57

World chump.....you say: "the complete lack of ignorance of South African Rugby". Thanks for the kind thought.

 

Nuke you are right that this kid was rushed back from injury....but in fairness he looked very good against Oz. He is a talent....pace and 60m place kicks confirm that. But we had another superb talent in the person of Gaffie du Toit. The fastest Bok on the park in his young days and with vision and a huge boot. He often did things too quickly for the players around him.

 

He was ruined by playing against NZ too soon. I hope we haven't done the same to Goosen.


World Champs

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RE: Johaan the glassboy Goosen
October 09, 2012, 02:19:07

Shark I regretfully inform you that you are wrong and all I can use to justify my statement is look at the score board.

 

Again wheres the glassboy Goosen now? And the last game I watched I didnt see much smashing other than the Boks running after some guys in black shirts

 

Please do not fall into beendongs habit of believing the untruth as that only leads to a path that is untrue and your better than that muppet

 

Cheers


Sharkbok

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RE: Johaan the glassboy Goosen
October 09, 2012, 02:35:32

 Worldchamp- The All Blacks won because the backline is much better than the Springbok backline. The first half our forwards dominated but the AllBlacks were still looking like winning because of counter attacking skills by the backline, with some contributions from the All Blacks forwards in the loose. However I think you would agree that the backs are where the real difference was.

Goosen got injured at the start of the test, not on the tackle of lock scoring the try. I still say that our fowards could beat the All Blacks, but its 15 man rugby so I have no doubt that the better team won. Carter is miles better than both Cruden and Goosen. Both are young players but not likely to get near Carter. Goosen is looking injury prone and Cruden plays better at Superxv level than test level so far. We were in the game until Goosen fell apart. We got a try to start albeit the pass looked slightly forward. If Goosen had played the whole game, the match would have been closer. It was clear against Australia that our backs have improved with Goosen instead of Morne in the Car Park pocket.  Our backline was pathetic on the day, and we just have a shortage of quality inside backs. Our backs were the best they have been the whole year against Australia,. Our outside backs are fine, but we have serious depth issues of inside backs. When we get injuries to inside backs, the next inline is usually miles away. Put Carter and Sunny Bill/Nonu in the bok team playing at full strength and we could beat the Allblacks- although that is of course hypothetical


Sharkbok

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RE: Johaan the glassboy Goosen
October 09, 2012, 03:39:08

http://www.odt.co.nz/sport/rugby/229528/rugby-team-ratings-after-rugby-championship

 "Forwards: B+

The main positive to come from the past couple of months for the Springboks was their forward play, particularly in the second half of the competition. In this area they were rarely bettered and other than the second half in Soweto, had the better of the All Blacks.

They were brutal, throwing themselves at their opponents and getting good go-forward. The only blemish comes in their fitness, which seemed to affect them in Soweto as the All Black pack gained the upper hand in the second half after the South Africans dominated forward play for the first 40.


World Champs

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RE: Johaan the glassboy Goosen
October 09, 2012, 03:40:01

Too many could of would of and should of in your post shark!

 

Lets not talk hypothetical stuff lets talk real time and agree that Carter and co would makea difference but they would make a difference in any team. But as I said SA are living in this dream world that their forwards are all high and mighty........mate if they cant last any longer than 60 minutes then they are shite in my books.

 

Goosen is not looking injury prone he is injury prone

 

http://blogs.sport24.co.za/thepride/2012/10/08/johan-goosen-broken-again/

 

 


World Champs

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RE: Johaan the glassboy Goosen
October 09, 2012, 03:53:26

Read this as it moots all your points and it spells out the completely different mindset between a Bok rugby and All black rugby

 

From Supersport.com

Whereas the All Blacks have worked at putting each other into space, or finding a “weak shoulder”, there is an almost instinctive tendency of the Bok runners to go looking for full-on contact.

The ball-carrying of Alberts, Mtawarira, Strauss and co can be very effective, but good line speed meant that too often the ABs were able to stop the big men behind the gain-line before they got momentum up, stymieing their game plan.

The stats (rugbystats.com.au) show that the ABs ran with the ball 53 times to the Springboks' 72, but made 120 metres more. That says a lot.

 


Boklogic

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RE: Johaan the glassboy Goosen
October 09, 2012, 05:03:44

Guys, dont argue with this world chump knob. He will take any chance to have a cheap shot at South African's all whilst believing anyone who dons an AB jersey is a legend. Cruden is a crap player and he is lucky he is always protected by experienced players and he has been fortunate enough to have SBW outside him in most his big test starts. SBW will get go forward from anywhere.

He says "its funny the young fulla takes a couple of balls to the line against weak opposition!" So now the super 15 and rugby championship teams are weak? Ha ha this man is a doos of note...

 

He seems to get very excited about injuries to our players and very vocal on how bad we are..A little nervous me thinks! I wonder what this clown does for a living because he seems to be stuck in "AB's are the greatest humans in the world" bubble...Chop!


World Champs

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RE: Johaan the glassboy Goosen
October 09, 2012, 05:49:12

Hey buddy howzit bru? I cant chat to you as you are no longer recognised on this forum due to you unintelligent contributions. Please refrain from ever chatting on this decent forum owned by good saffers and good kiwis....now move on boy tipi haere, Ka kite. Just learn to be humble my bru and you will not feel the massive hurt and pain that you are feeling at the moment.

 

The Boks are in 3rd place we know that so stop beoing in denial. The awful Ausfaliures are even better than the rainbow boks ........oh my oh my Logi ....yes Im fraid you have been "OWNED AGAIN"   hahahahahahahahahahahahhahahah - habana


Boklogic

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RE: Johaan the glassboy Goosen
October 09, 2012, 09:12:38

 Don't try humour the other bloggers here. No one likes ur input. Every post your have responded to is completely disagreeing with the other person unless they say something good about the ab's. I am yet to see a positive post regarding the boks and Aussies from u.

 

why don't u write to nzru and offer to be the players pipe shiner coz seems u think they can do no wrong..ur constant negativity and disagreeing is exhausting. Have a debate, don't force ur stupid views on people..only kiwi's will agree with u and most the times they probably don'tdon't


World Champs

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RE: Johaan the glassboy Goosen
October 09, 2012, 09:46:55

Loki - please refrain for using this forum - you are not worthy and you are so unintelligent that you make it bad for the other saffers like Clevermike, Sharkbok, Moz, Can, Chippo, Denny etc who are my closefriends for life

 

Im working on Beendong but I fear that he has been over poisoned like you - now go away as you aree taking up good space on our great forum

 

Yes thats right "YOU HAVE BEEN OWNEN AGAIN"....bhwaaaaaaaaaahahahahahah-habana


bluebok

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RE: Johaan the glassboy Goosen
October 09, 2012, 10:26:11

It must be so easy to be WC, all he does is take whatever the South African posters say, and then says exactly the opposite. Very intelligent fellow this! Dude, everyone is in awe of your uber-intelligence. I am so jealous!


World Champs

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RE: Johaan the glassboy Goosen
October 09, 2012, 10:32:03

thanls blue yopur still good in my books mate !!!!!

 

Someone has to keep you deluded and deranged Boks on the straight and narrow


Boklogic

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RE: Johaan the glassboy Goosen
October 09, 2012, 10:34:20

 Spot on blue..that or he brings up useless stats and info to reiterate just how great the ab's are and how "useless" the boks are...not much happening inside that fella's nut...Internet is just too easy to get in nzl...


World Champs

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RE: Johaan the glassboy Goosen
October 09, 2012, 23:42:27

Loki - please refrain from posting to our private site this is for saffers and kiwis only not halfbreed sit on the fence Safiwis allowed - again you have been owned my boet bru!!!!


polyboy

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RE: Johaan the glassboy Goosen
October 10, 2012, 00:24:36

Will say Goosen looked good against OZ. But the AB's were always going to put the pressure on him, I think Keiran Read said as much, which would explain how his effectiveness was negated while he was on the field. Kinda compliment to the young fellow, that the AB's would afford him the attention. He has a few seasons to build his test skills and looks promising.


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