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SS-Mole

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Boks Should have won against the All blacks
October 07, 2012, 05:48:36

 We dominated possesion and territory and therefore should have won. Some lucky trys by the Allblacks. 


World Champs

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RE: Boks Should have won against the All blacks
October 07, 2012, 05:53:49

True ive got no idea why the boks didnt? Damn it those AB's also cheated and Rollaind was a terrible ref and I think there were 80,000 kiwi supporters in the stadium and we also played in SA and at altitude I mean the AB's had everything in their favour.

 

Im just so fustrated I just cant work it out?????


Papamoa

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RE: Boks Should have won against the All blacks
October 07, 2012, 05:54:57

 Bean... bean, bean mmm have you ever watched a game of rugby.....or even had anything to do with test rugby besides writing complete rubbish on your computer try watching a real game before jumping on the keyboard save a lot of embarrassment for your fellow countrymen who would like to hold there heads high. 


Arthur John

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RE: Boks Should have won against the All blacks
October 07, 2012, 06:03:53

 Ouch.....this one really hurt.

The AB's deserved to win this game.

I'm afraid the AB's rugby is way ahead of all other countries who use to count (SA/OZ).

Just look at the stats for Super/Tri Nations and the penny will drop....I hope.


Brycy

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RE: Boks Should have won against the All blacks
October 07, 2012, 06:23:32

...bro thats not Bean Brain...Bean Brain is the rugby legend that can't tell the diff between umaga and nonu or the hurricanes and the highlanders....with 50million posts about nothing...someone taking the piss again with our favourite yarpy...


All Black NZ

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RE: Boks Should have won against the All blacks
October 07, 2012, 08:18:08

Beeno teams often win with less pocession and territory in the modern game, it's what they do with it that counts.  In fact strangely enough the main statistic you want to win is the score! The All Blacks often don't dominate pocession because they are capable of scoring from set play, and 1st and second phases so don't get to hang on to the ball for long periods as teams that don't have the same ability to score trys as often as the All Blacks.  They will often go through multiple phases from side to side while the All Blacks defend stoutly.  Territory is important as far as getting Penalty scoring opportunities but the All Blacks have the abilty to be an atacking threat from anywhere.  You are right teams do go through cycles and it will be your turn again one day.  It will have to be a long one to catch the All Blacks in fact to match our winning % in test matches you would have to win 220 Tests in a row that would be some cycle.


Marty70

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RE: Boks Should have won against the All blacks
October 07, 2012, 09:03:38

We did Beeno but unfortunatly we didnt have the right backline players to stop the excellent AB backline. With all due respect their backline is much too classy than ours. Granted the bok backline is beter at attack than it was  a few weeks back but it has slightly dipped in its defence.Its not a train smash as it can improve.

Its not often that the AB's have less possession than their opponents so i agree we did have the opertunity to win this game but inexperience and lack of leadership by the captain was our downfall.


Brycy

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RE: Boks Should have won against the All blacks
October 07, 2012, 09:16:48

Bring Back Morne Steyn i reckon...he could of kicked 10 penalties then habananas could of scored more tries and we left at least 50 points on the field if you add all that up...pretty much an outright victory for SA...


All Black NZ

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RE: Boks Should have won against the All blacks
October 07, 2012, 09:54:06

Actually you would be surprised how many times recently All Blacks haven't dominated pocession and won.

Even the 3rd Ireland test ( we won 60 - 0) at haftime we were up 29 0 with only 38% pocession.

As I said It's what you do with it.  It's a mistake to get to carried away with pocession and territory stats in the modern game.  A top defence can hold out teams capable of holding on to the ball but don't have the ability to convert into trys for long periods then get the ball and score a couple of phases later. The all Blacks are masters of this.


flynn5

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RE: Boks Should have won against the All blacks
October 07, 2012, 10:28:20

 i read your previous advice on how the Boks could win, i suspect most NZers would hope the Boks take this advice. This 1950 s forward  approach you advocate requires grunty heavy forwards which the Boks have in spades. All the Blacks have to do is drop the mauls, defend well and run the big Bok forwards  off thier feet.

And that is exactly what happened. The Boks dominated up front in the first half but didnt have the strike power out wide to capitalise and the forward rumbles werent making huge head way. The forwards persisted but as they got tired mistakes crept in possession was lost and  game over. Keep with this game plan if you want but it hasnt worked for the last 10 years and i dont think it is going to work for the next.

 


sasuke uchiha

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RE: Boks Should have won against the All blacks
October 07, 2012, 10:48:56

it comes down to fitness, Boks dont have the fitness to keep up the tempo against the All Blacks, they start of with a hiss and a roar only to be standing around looking ragged come the 60 min mark, top that of with the fact the All Blacks were leading and every drop goal and penalty afterwrads was another nail in the coffin both physically and mentally.
All Black forwards are way more mobile then the lumbering crash ball forwards of the Boks, this mobility gives the All Blacks added advantage in expansive rugby as noted by whitelocks and nonus try.

i always thought the Boks were setting themselves up for a huge hiding, outplaying the wallabies gave them too much false hope IMO and that coupled with an inability to play 80mins worth of rugby was the telling blow.
 


Henrynz09

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RE: Boks Should have won against the All blacks
October 07, 2012, 14:33:20

A very professional outfit the ABs are.  Compared with the game in Dunedin I had hoped the ABs would gain at least parity in the tackle area.  

The ABs did that most of the time by not allowing the Bok forwards to gain momentum, by meeting them before they got the legs pumping.  Infact sometimes the Boks were easy targets with none of the forwards interlinking, just crashing ball running, no variation whatsoever.   So the ABs reciftified this problem they had in Dunedin, well done boys!

Due to last weeks game against the wallabies I thought the Boks went away from what they are traditionally good at - Forward power play, good tactical kicking, putting teams under pressure, taking the points when presented.  

@ Sasu, yeah outplaying the wallabies gave them too much false hope,..... but than he said to the rainmaker, "better than no hope at all, aye".

 


Beeno1

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RE: Boks Should have won against the All blacks
October 07, 2012, 16:18:54

Brycy thansk for pointing out the obvious. Beeno 10 is not me but an ardent fan. Ifear we could have beeno2,3,4,5,6,67,8,9 in time as the fan base grows.

You nz oaks are so predictable. Now you want us to throw aay our advantage in the pack thatsaw us dominating both territory and possession. And thsi is not yet our best match pack!! Hahahhahahahaha no oaks daniles will not be back I dont reckon. Our forwards were fine and dominated the game

Our backs for some reeasn lost their defeisive structure but that can be fixed. You nz oaks couldnt score much against the Stormers so its something that can be fixed as can the goal kicking which lost us the Dunedin test.

Lets face it nz remain concerned and rightly so. The wheel is in turn ad e are on the rise.

Of course we let the gaem get  bit too lose at times. Also we did not whip the ball away as we did against Oz. Pienaar was getting his troops to line up in an exact row before passing.

What was very encouragig were the periods of compelte domiancemostly in thr first half but also in the second half.

The abs can also consider the ref to have treated them lightly. The yellow was long overdue. He should also have pinged the abs more for not releasing the tackler but penalised us instead! However this was not bias just incompetence which is a vast improvement from what we are used to.

There was also a misunderstanding or worse re Goosen he stayed on the field as a passenger for some 10 minutes and this gifted the abs a try.

No there has been much to be encourage about in these two matches and as Meyer rightly says 12 months can be a long time in rugby. The end draws nigh!!

As for Oz they will not again be a decimated side. So we have a brand new Bok side and a decimated oz side all giving the abs a false sense of worth. ab fans need to excercise judement. Bwahhahahhahahahahahaha

 


Brycy

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RE: Boks Should have won against the All blacks
October 07, 2012, 18:09:46

Morne Steyn Boks 2011 3N

Bean Brain , last time you beat us Morne Steyn kicked all 18 points and i can't help but wonder about how many of those 11 penalties he would have slotted over on home soil. Not to mention the odd drop kick he throws in for good measure...


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