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Beeno1

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Brutal and brainy Boks will triumph
October 05, 2012, 12:34:12

Ex Keo

The Boks can beat the All Blacks if they are not suckered into turning Saturday’s Castle Lager Rugby Championship finale into a free-flowing spectacle.

Heyneke Meyer’s Boks showed the capacity to use the ball against the Wallabies, just as they did at times against England earlier in the season. There is no need to try and match the All Blacks to appease neutrals who like to see all out attack.

To beat the All Blacks will take greater discipline and won’t be as easy on the eye for those who believe that the game should only be played one way.

The appeal of Rugby Union is that every team has a different style. Former Wallabies coach Eddie Jones once joked to the Bok players (when he worked with them during the 2007 World Cup) that if Australia had South Africa’s forwards and Fourie du Preez at scrumhalf the flyhalf would be lucky to get the ball.

South Africa’s strength has always been when the forwards, collectively, produce a pressured 80 minute display that suffocates the opposition attack. The opposition always talks up South Africa’s physicality and often it has only undermined the Bok performance on the day as individuals have erred with brutish ill-discipline.

The All Blacks traditionally have always had to fight hardest against the Boks and England for victories – and it is because both England and South Africa more often than not have had the advantage up front in size and muscle.

New Zealand, over a century, have always countered this disadvantage with the most incredible attitude in the collisions and in the tackle. Great All Black teams have always shown dominance in defence and it has been as potent weapon as their natural ability to counter attack or score the most spectacular tries.

The All Blacks, in Port Elizabeth a year ago and again in Dunedin, have tried to up the tempo of the game from the outset and played high risk rugby regardless of field position. It has suited the Boks because South Africa, especially at home and in the first quarter of a Test, are most comfortable when asked to make tackles than to use the ball on attack.

Those who seek a playing style similar to the All Blacks won’t like it but playing the percentages is the most intelligent approach South Africa can adopt.

The All Blacks rely on quick phase ball and on quality ball from lineouts and when the Boks have enjoyed success against New Zealand is when there has been enough disruption to ensure a lack of fluency.

The All Blacks battled with the Pumas physicality in the 21-5 win in Wellington. The weather contributed to the struggle, but the Pumas got it wrong in trying to play an expansive style against the All Blacks a week ago. The Boks will get similarly punished if they are lured into a match in which the All Blacks are allowed to settle early.

The Boks can win at home and whatever the Kiwis may say the desperation for victory will be greater for the home team. The All Blacks have already won the Rugby Championship, they are mentally exhausted from the strain of having to win the World Cup at home and their tight five is the most vulnerable unit in what is a very good outfit.

The locks are young, the front row has looked tired and laboured and Jerome Kaino, as an imposing blindside flank, has not been replaced. Liam Messan is a good player but he does not possess the Test qualities of Kaino.

The All Blacks are the best team in the world and consistently have been since the game turned professional. But like any team they can be beaten and they usually lose one match a season. They won’t lose on the end of year Northern Hemisphere tour, so the customary defeat (which gives the rest of the world hope) must come in Soweto.

Richie McCaw, in his 112th Test, will be aiming for an unprecedented 100th Test victory. The statistic is incredible, given he has played the Boks and Wallabies 45 times home and away. McCaw is colossal to the All Blacks and he was the difference between the sides in Dunedin. (Hahahahahahahhahahahaha - the difference was our goal kicking)

But the Bok pack must believe they are stronger and equipped to negate their All Black opponents. They also have to be disciplined.

Meyer has made no secret about his approach as coach. It will be Bulls-like rugby at home against the Crusaders, and it is a recipe that has mostly been successful.

This does not mean it has to be one-dimensional or boring. There is skill in mauling, there is skill in controlling the ball with the forwards and their is skill in a kicking game that is accurate and in which the chasers turn even average kicks into good ones.

The global game needs the Boks to win on Saturday, just to keep it interesting for a bit.

My heart says Boks by six or seven points. And my mind says the same. The only proviso is they maintain their discipline, retain 15 on the field and dominate the All Blacks tight five.

Victory certainly must not add to the illusion that the Boks are better than the All Blacks. They aren’t because they haven’t had the consistency or success on the road of the men in black.

See Saturday for what it is – a match the Boks must win and one the All Blacks would like to win.

Meyer, in victory, will have a foundation to take into the end of year tour and next year’s Rugby Championship.

The All Blacks were brilliant in victory at the same venue two yeas ago. They silenced 94 000 with a stunning last five minutes.

The quality of the All Blacks is to be admired and applauded but if there is one team that can make them look ordinary for 80 minutes a year it is an imposing Bok team.

It has happened way too little since 1992. The Boks, on Saturday,need a new story against the All Blacks, but they don’t need a new style of play.

Victory won’t make the Boks the best team in the world but it takes them a bit closer to the goal of being the best team in the world.

I do not think the Boks will not attack the abs particularly if they have the same forward domination. They should run off good go forward ball and they will score tries. The abs backline defence is suspect


mozart

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RE: Brutal and brainy Boks will triumph
October 05, 2012, 18:38:08

This is absolute rot. When you are playing a great attacking side, limiting the amount of ball they have is crucial. You do this by keeping the ball yourself and building phases. But.....when we try to do this by playing close in , crash ball and pick and go......we inevitably get turned. That's the dangerous ball.

 

So I think our game plan last week was spot on....use the backs and the forwards....kick if you are deep in your half.....defend aggressively. We have played the ABs so often with the failed notion of not trying to match them at their game....one thinks we would have learned. The AB game plan is balanced and effective.....we could do far worse than playing the same way they do.


Papamoa

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RE: Brutal and brainy Boks will triumph
October 05, 2012, 19:56:33

 Well, we will see. Boks will come out all fired up and pumped in the first 15-20 min and your right about discipline think the adrenalin will take over and cheap shots will start up. Coming out and smashing the AB all well and good but they must be converted into points or AB will make you pay. 

Id love nothing more than to bleat on how AB will make you pay and there going to hammer BOK......but truth is test like this can easy go either. All Black. Forwards have improved since Dunedin with getting to break downs quicker to keep ball flowing. Backs looked poor in Dunedin also with poor passing and lack of structure.  If they have continued to improve I'd expect a high scoring match


radtad1

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RE: Brutal and brainy Boks will triumph
October 05, 2012, 22:15:43

Brotherbeens in all the victories against the AB's very few of them have been because we have attacked their channels out wide or ran them ragged that is something that they are accustomed towards. We have beaten them through hard close in rucking, mauling slowing down the game and pin point accurate kicking and sustained pressure. The AB defence has obviously been nigh on un-penetrable since the RC started so it wont get any easier to break and any thoughts that their backline is suspectable may be the 'fools gold' that we will fall into?

 

The Boks have shown and the Eng in 03 that enough pressure will subdue the AB's however the AB's have always had the intelligence to adapt and have countered this on most occasions. Their record is testimony to this and as the stats show they have beaten us fustratingly often in our own backyard and that is why they have always been the threat and won the Tri-nations and now the RC consistently simply because SA and the Wallabies have failed to win abroad themselves.

 

I have said before winning at home is good but it dont win you trophys. We can win against the AB's but in the scheme of things it would still be an un-satisfactory performance even with the amount of injuries we have afterall SA posses some damn fine players that we can use outside of the injured players Louw, Taute etc

 

The Argentinians used the term of chasing 'fools gold' and the only fools on the night was the red face people who said the Argies would beat the Ab's. Those who continue to use Dunedins success as the cornerstone for a SA succes will be foolhardy to think we will find the same 'gold' again against them this time around.

 

The AB's learn from their mistakes do we learn from our wins? Now thats a different take on things isn't it! Moz is spot on - limit the ball they play with is critical but doing it is something else as they have the uncanny ability to sustain the pressure and then unleash at the most appropriate times often they score just before the half and just after the half hitting confidence levels of most teams.

 

I put this post up recently and here is my reasoning around their ability to adapt:

OZ - 19....AB's 27 

OZ - 0....AB's 22

Argies - 5....AB's 21

Argies - 15....AB's 54

SA - 11.....AB's 21

SA -????....AB's ????

Thats the differenece and though we have shown great resolve and massive increase in our performane I still believe we are not yet capable of beating the AB's I have picked a close game 20 - 14.

 

 


Papamoa

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RE: Brutal and brainy Boks will triumph
October 06, 2012, 08:50:02

 Good speech rad tad, sounds like you've seen a test or two. Like the pic pienaar was great. Remember that RWC well good for SA not so good for us.....but life goes on.

AB will have Reid who looks like getting back in form and Nonu who combined with Conrad Smith will make life for BOK midfield very difficult. Especially if Smith can get the ball out quickly to unload on backline. Jane on the wing always solid and dependable with Dagg who were expecting a big game from both. Forward have another story dealing with louw, Vermeulen and not forget Bekker who will be out to batter the AB. But with the help of Carter to guide team around park should take control, if BOK choice to have a running game might find it to be high risk when dealing with intense pressure and could be costly.


radtad1

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RE: Brutal and brainy Boks will triumph
October 06, 2012, 10:59:14

Pap,

 

Trust me my heart bleeds knowing that SA has not converted many of the close games into wins. Fustratingly I have [removed]ysed over many years to try ascertain why SA have always competed and at times dominated the AB's but never for long periods of times. We have been very good at scraping Aussie for second place but no one remembers who comes second do they.

 

Prior to SBW arriving on the scene Nonu and Smith were arguably the best centre pairing on the planet with a very close second being Fourie and JDV they spent a while apart and are now I believe starting to find that form again. Sadly SA have another new pairing for the 3rd time this season already and that is not good for combinations and continuity.

 

My worry for SA is that the likes of Dagg/Conrad/Nonu are due and there were signs enough that Carter will bring a whole lot of difference to this game. Keeping parity in the forwards will not be enough for the Boks we will need to shut down ball and keep the AB's locked into the tight stuff. Goosen wont find the gold he did against Australia and I have said that though the Boks have improved exponentially I still believe that it is not enough - but I will be happy to be proven wrong.

 

The problem with a running game is that it is not our natural thing to do and to be honest even though we did so against the Wallabies it didnt come off totally and they weren't exactely the best backline to measure our supposed transformed backline

 

 

 


Beeno1

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RE: Brutal and brainy Boks will triumph
October 06, 2012, 16:12:11
ragtad get off your knees ,stop the genuflections and enjoy the game.


hakwa

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RE: Brutal and brainy Boks will triumph
October 06, 2012, 19:00:00

your predictions have been "found wanting" again Beeno! It must be hard falling over and over and over, over your own tongue!


hakwa

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RE: Brutal and brainy Boks will triumph
October 07, 2012, 00:19:25

 


radtad1

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RE: Brutal and brainy Boks will triumph
October 07, 2012, 00:37:24

Sadly brotherbeens I was spot on....and gracious in defeat

 

Stop bleating my bru or you will die with anguish and pain of forever being wrong


Papamoa

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RE: Brutal and brainy Boks will triumph
October 07, 2012, 03:29:19

 As I said there number 1 for a reason. Have to be pretty nieve to think other wise. Throwing on young new comers to take on veterans like Nonu, smith, Carter......I mean come on poor Goosen hope this wont scar him, public need to understand this he needs to learn from this and be prepared next test.

AB are the best,  next test in NH will be a walk in the park compared to this. Taute had the best midfield in the world to conquer that's a lot of weight on his shoulders as this hype and pressure applied on Goosen to revolutionize Springbok rugby.....no pressure Goosen give him a break. A learning curve use it lock it away for the future SA.


Arthur John

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RE: Brutal and brainy Boks will triumph
October 07, 2012, 05:41:27

 Beeno, Beeno, Beeno after that prediction you best add more water to the JW.

I was hoping that the Boks would win but was wise enough to place my bet on the AB's.

Now for all you Jantjies supporters....another Earl Rose I'm afraid. Out classed and outplayed in Test rugby I'm afraid.

 


Jalapeno!

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RE: Brutal and brainy Boks will triumph
October 07, 2012, 09:51:58

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahaha!!!!!!!

 

Thanks Bean brain, I needed a laugh. U make the loss bearable!

 

"Brutal and brainy Boks". Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!


hakwa

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RE: Brutal and brainy Boks will triumph
October 08, 2012, 11:31:09

 Beeno, Jalapeno owns you big time! :-)) 


Jalapeno!

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RE: Brutal and brainy Boks will triumph
October 08, 2012, 11:40:10

This still cracks me up! The "brutal & brainy Boks" wd have finshed with the woodn spoon if it wasnt for the Pumas playing in the comp for the 1st time and heres bean Brain bragging that we r world beaters. Hope u guys dont think all Saffers r as stupid as big mouth Bean Brain!


Beeno1

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RE: Brutal and brainy Boks will triumph
October 08, 2012, 11:51:11

Oaks, oaks oaks. Lets get some perspective here.

Before the match, folk like Naas, Willemse, Mallet and Mitchell all hought the Boks would win.

So the Boks had an off day. The abs were said to have had an off day when the Boks out played them in Dunedin. So allow us our off day!

No one really expected the Boks defence to leak like this as they had played the other sides, inlcuding the abs without  a defensive problem.

No Beeno was aligned with the guys who know. But as I always say and said before the match, in sport nothing is cast in stone! Of course had we palyed like we did indunedin we would have won comfortably. It was te only rational position to take.

Justin pointed out how much was good in our Soweto efforts - he would have been overwhelmed by our efforts in Dunedin. So we lost a match that we should have won by 20 odd points. I do trust you realise that if we had been rewarded for our efforts we would have been 1 point behind nz on the log  - Bwahahaahhaahhahahahahahaha

Beeno - owner of the kiwi bird brains and cohorts like jallopy. 

Next!


Jalapeno!

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RE: Brutal and brainy Boks will triumph
October 08, 2012, 11:57:46
ORly? So it was just a off day? Weve lost 6 of our last 7 vs the ABs, were those all off days as well?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

bean Brain is owned again!!!!


Beeno1

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RE: Brutal and brainy Boks will triumph
October 08, 2012, 12:05:29

Jallopy you have clearly not grasped that I have been talking about the 160 minuts we played this championship against the abs! jallopy there are 80 minutes in a game. Now 2 times 80 = 160 minutes. hence I was referring to the last two games agains tthem. Hahahahahahahaha ou jallopy floundering badly.

I have already lamented the loss of Jake and the wated opportunity tha twe had to domiante the abs. man t othink we appointed ou pdv - admitted as being not the best coach avalable - who becamre a laughing stock world wide an dwas muzzled from talking to the press.

Kiwis can be thankful for the politically motivated blunder as we would obviously have wiped them out over the last  4 years. Before you bleat on about the last 7 tests ask yourself how well the abs would have done under ou pdv! Hahahahahah jallopy has no clue whatsoever.

Next!


World Champs

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RE: Brutal and brainy Boks will triumph
October 08, 2012, 12:09:10

beendong yoy have been owned again hahahahahahahaha-habana

 

love the delerium in your scrotum filled brainsack hahahahahaha-habana

 

lololololol owned again


Jalapeno!

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RE: Brutal and brainy Boks will triumph
October 08, 2012, 12:12:31


Beeno1

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RE: Brutal and brainy Boks will triumph
October 08, 2012, 12:16:40

Oaks we owned you for 70 years and will again. Get ready to be owned!!!

Read the signs of the times all nz oaks.


hakwa

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RE: Brutal and brainy Boks will triumph
October 08, 2012, 14:25:28

 I'm afraid Jalapeno's tank owns you again Beeno - Katie is in tears watching you do this to yourself!


Beeno1

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RE: Brutal and brainy Boks will triumph
October 08, 2012, 14:50:10

Hhahahahahahahahaha nice one hakwa. You boet may be one of the other 4 rare kiwi birds I am postulating to exist!!!

Katie is just upset we lost in Dunedin when she knows we should have won.

You and he confused  jallopy need have no concern about me I am enjoying setting the record straight.

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