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Beeno1

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No changes to Bok team
October 03, 2012, 13:48:46

Ex Keo

Heyneke Meyer has made no changes to the Springboks’ starting line-up for the Rugby Championship Test against the All Blacks.

The Boks had several injury concerns following last Saturday’s clash against the Wallabies, but Meyer has confirmed that Zane Kirchner (hip), Johan Goosen (heel), Willem Alberts (hip), and Jannie du Plessis (stiffness) all trained with the team on Wednesday, and are all expected to start.

News that Coenie Oosthuizen has been cleared of a serious neck injury has prompted Meyer to include the Cheetahs prop on the Bok bench. Oosthuizen replaces Pat Cilliers, who featured against Australia last week.

Coenie is a superb athlete, a player whom I believe has the potential to be one of the all-time greats,’ said Meyer. ‘I will never gamble on a player’s health. We know that there is no risk to playing Coenie this weekend.

‘He has been out of action [due to a neck injury] for some time, but he understands our systems and what’s required of him having been with us since the beginning of the year.

In these types of games you need an impact player who can produce something special when he comes off the bench, and Coenie fits the bill.

Springboks – 15 Zane Kirchner, 14 Bryan Habana, 13 Jaco Taute, 12 Jean de Villiers (c), 11 Francois Hougaard, 10 Johan Goosen, 9 Ruan Pienaar, 8 Duane Vermuelen, 7 Willem Alberts, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Andries Bekker, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Adriaan Strauss, 1 Beast Mtawarira.
Subs: 16 Tiaan Liebenberg, 17 Coenie Oosthuizen, 18 Flip van der Merwe, 19 Marcel Coetzee, 20 Elton Jantjies, 21 Juan de Jongh, 22 Pat Lambie.

No real surprises - Go Bokke!


clevermike

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RE: No changes to Bok team
October 03, 2012, 14:42:30

Beeno

When I posted the possible team earlier I thought that Kirchner may be out with an injury.   Since he is not - the same team will be fielded as was the case last weekend.

I saw elsewhere that you went for Dave on the issue of backline performance.   You are wrong - you know.   A scrummie or Flyjalf can bugger up the whole functioning of a backline and in particular in this case the whole problem was in fact with the playing style of Morne Steyn.   He was primarily reponsible for malfunctioning of the backline.   In this case the fact should also be borne in mind that Goosen has a completely different playing style All the players outside of Goosen  had to adjust their own playing style completely to allow for the ddifferent style of Goosen.   They did just that - but the key in the whole process was Goosen.  

Insofar as Morne Steyn is concerned - there is no way in which the outside playes could play a fastmoving game - they would get the ball under extremely adverse conditions.    That would basically force either the 12 or 13 to crashball.   Dabe is in many respects correct - but a bit fickle as well.   He for instance does not often comment pn my posts - especially if I point out errors in his assumptions.

Anyway - I cannot see much of a change in the game plan on the side of the Springboks.   I do foresee a change in the game plan of the All Blacks though.   They are going to attack through the channel and also try to isolate Goosen.   That is where I hope they would not try illegal rough stuff to get him off the field - they have done such things in the past and I hope anybody trying by dubious means to achieve that end should to my mind be red-carded.   There defensive lines would also have to be different compared to what is was in the past.   In the past their loosies went directly for the no 12 - they really did not bpther ablout Morne at all.   Simultaneously their wings fell back to cover kicks.   The latter two methods will just not be feasible anymore.    

I think the discussions on the Re-Union programme tonight at 18:00 would be interesting.    We will get a lot of insight in the New Zealand Rugby thinking about the coming test.   

          


clevermike

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RE: No changes to Bok team
October 03, 2012, 14:47:14

Beeno

When I posted the possible team earlier I thought that Kirchner may be out with an injury.   Since he is not - the same team will be fielded as was the case last weekend.

I saw elsewhere that you went for Dave on the issue of backline performance.   You are wrong - you know.   A scrummie or Flyjalf can bugger up the whole functioning of a backline and in particular in this case the whole problem was in fact with the playing style of Morne Steyn.   He was primarily reponsible for malfunctioning of the backline.   In this case the fact should also be borne in mind that Goosen has a completely different playing style All the players outside of Goosen  had to adjust their own playing style completely to allow for the ddifferent style of Goosen.   They did just that - but the key in the whole process was Goosen.  

Insofar as Morne Steyn is concerned - there is no way in which the outside playes could play a fast-moving game - they would get the ball under extremely adverse conditions.    That would basically force either the 12 or 13 to crashball.   Dave is in many respects correct - but a bit fickle as well.   He for instance does not often comment pn my posts - especially if I point out errors in his assumptions.

Anyway - I cannot see much of a change in the game plan on the side of the Springboks.   I do foresee a change in the game plan of the All Blacks though.   They are going to attack through the channel and also try to isolate Goosen.   That is where I hope they would not try illegal rough stuff to get him off the field - they have done such things in the past and I hope anybody trying by dubious means to achieve that end should to my mind be red-carded.   There defensive lines would also have to be completey different compared to what is was in the past.   In the past their loosies went directly for the no 12 - they really did not bpther ablout Morne at all.   Simultaneously their wings fell back to cover kicks.   The latter two methods will just not be feasible anymore.    

I think the discussions on the Re-Union programme tonight at 18:00 would be interesting.    We will get a lot of insight in the New Zealand Rugby thinking about the coming test.   

          


sasuke uchiha

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RE: No changes to Bok team
October 03, 2012, 15:49:07

glad to hear that coonie is back and fit, i agree with meyer, the potential of coonie to be a Bok great is strong in the cheetah power forward.

im feeling very confident about this weekends game, krichner and taute are both links that IMO the All Blacks will exploit and by that i dont think they will target them, i just think the All Blacks natural game will exploit them.

otherwise a pretty a good team, but carter playing and aaron smith starting plus the wonderful SA conditions are all to the All Blacks advantage.
i predict a close game for the first 50mins, then for the All Blacks to shut up shop and seal the 2012 IRC once all the while maintaing their 100% winning record for the year.


sasuke uchiha

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RE: No changes to Bok team
October 03, 2012, 15:53:09

@clevermike,

errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, what illegal rough stuff are u reffering to that the All Blacks have done in the past??? o_O

cos unlike burger eye gouges, or bakkie head buts or even greyling flying forearms, i dont recall the All Blacks employing many illegal rough stuff, in fact i can only recall one from thorn on smit, but otherwise,,,,,
 


JeromeV

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RE: No changes to Bok team
October 03, 2012, 18:01:09

Im pleased to see Meyer having enough trust in these players to continue playing at their best, although im abit worried about this. One has to wonder, should Goosen really play with an injury? to me under these cir[removed]stances considering it is the last clash it should be a fine risk to take, but unfortunately this injury could get worse as the game goes on which our only choice at fly half would be Lambie or Jantjies, i think Lambie would be a safer option.

'Be prepared to expect the unexpected' is what i was thinking earlier on today. All this talk about all blacks running the ball deep in their backline, precisly attacking constantly could be a down fall. They know we have good defence they could actually play a good kicking game. As a matter of fact they have Isreal Dagg who i quite admire since playing for hawkes bay, he has the ability to kick the ball effectively great touch finder and ball runner, we have to be careful here. Since we don't have an attacking fullback 'Kirchner' we can't counter attack these kicks that would be made, i would recommend Gio Aplon at fullback in this situation.


clevermike

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RE: No changes to Bok team
October 03, 2012, 20:31:06

Sasu

Come niw - don't get upset - I was just stirring,   I don't expect anything nasty - perhaps some late or high tackles.   Please note that they even said on Re-Union tonight that McCaw is getting slower - so most likely late tackles.   Incidentally that was the first time ever I even heard a whisper from anybody about a very faint negative aspect in his game.    Incidentally   don't lay a charge of high treason against them - I like Justin Marshall a lot - nice and knowledgeable guy. .

Now lets get to something else - none of the panelists on the Re-Union program tonight wanted to commit themselves to predict an All Black victory.   All Justin Marshall said was the players are determined to win the game - but in my opinion  if they were not - they might as well not turn up for the game.   He did not give his own opinion on the outcome at all - neither did the other panellists.   The only comment was it will be very, very difficult.   I have never seen a similar attitude on any discussion on that programme - where they were hesitant to make a prediction about the outcomes of a game.

They are apparently less confident than you are about the victory - so good luck to you.

Now lets continue wiith their discussions.   They dealt specifically with Goosen, Habana and Louw.   The impression I gained was that they are worried about what could happen on Saturday and that they are not sure what to expect as to the game plan.   There was an adnision made by one of the panellists that if the goalkicking at Dunedin was more accurate, the Springboks would have won the game   That further indicates serious reservations by the panel about an All Black victory.

About Goosen - they said they know he is very talented and that he will develop further.   They showed the break he made that very nearly led to a try by him as part of their discussion on him.

The same doubts as I have expressed about the status of Australian Rugby was mentioned - they said the Aussies had no game plan on Saturday.    They obviously mentioned the injury problems - but they nevertheless thought that Australia would win in the test this week.

Keep th Heinekens ready - you shall need them after the game.  LOL

 


Beeno1

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RE: No changes to Bok team
October 04, 2012, 09:29:43

Mike thanks fo rthe informative post and info re the Re-Union programme. Obviouls ythe programme should b eamust for the ab fans hear! Hahahahahahaha

As I said the writing i son thewall -its the speed of the turn around that has suprised me!

Lets face old macaaaaw still tries but time marches on, refs wise up and bingo he goes on sabbatical. Its all getting a bit much for old mcaaaaaw.

Well I just hope our kiwi friends keep it all together given their unwise expectations of their unbeatable side. The facts are simple - the abs are on the skids and the Boks are on the rise. That means we go up and they go down. If any kiwi cant grasp this I will, with great pleasure, elucidate further!

However that  said we humble Bok supporters should not get ahead of ourselves. 2014 is the year but anything earlier is a welcome bonus.


Majestic

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RE: No changes to Bok team
October 04, 2012, 16:33:51

Boks to win by 14 +


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