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Jean v Frans - Perspective
September 14, 2012, 13:12:52

It's been eight years since his transition to centre, and here we are today, with one of the more overrated Bok players being punted by Moz for retention over the best performing twelve we have had for the last twenty years at least. Jean, the bumbler, the awkward player, he never was much ball-in-hand and it was once he started playing at 12 for the Boks that our backplay dropped a few levels. But it was okay, because who else was there? Barry was a definite fading force, and through repeated failures was replaced. Ettiene Botha unfortunately died that year and he was definitely knocking on the door for selection. It wasn't until 2007 that we got a taste of a real 12, one who completely transformed our campaign on the biggest stage. It was 45 minutes of being on the ropes against what Smit had described as the most physical opponent he had ever seen in his life. Jean goes off with a torn bicep. Frans' first touch of the ball is to  rush the ball out of our 22 and put JP through, from that moment on the result was never in question. The Frans/Fourie combo was lethal. Then 2008, and Peter went WP crazy, and of course, Jean was retained. Our backplay was, again, bumbling, stuttering, and this combo never worked. And so our backplay deteriorated to the point of being a forward orientated game, were each Tri-Nations and EOYT was dominated by the forwards in the try stakes. Then 2011, Frans and Fourie link up again, and things look once more very promising. This time it was to be Frans who was cruely cut down, and our chances of bearing Australia plummeted. Jean was lauded for his few breaks, but his general play was very poor, and this regression from Frans contributed heavily in our stunted play, irrespective of the ref match-fixing. Eddie Jones lamented this in SARugby Magazine, "Morne Steyn tried to be flatter, but not enough was happening". Harkening again to Jean's poor lines and passing.

Fast-forward to today, we have just had six tests with Jean at 13. It was supposed to bring out the better attacking qualities of Jean. It was supposed to be so much more. For one, Jean isn't even half the player Fourie was at 13. Being run over no less than six times, being dragged about and bumbling around aimlessly. But now we are supposed to believe that we must move Jean back to 12, where he has been, "consistent", a very interesting interpretation to say the least. I would go so far as to say that Jean should never have played another test after his injury in 2007. By that time we had reached the natural evolution of the team, with Frans and Fourie forming a gargantuan defensive juggernaut that was so much more ball in hand. It allowed us to play a typical brand of powerful Bok rugby, but with incision. You could see that Meyer wanted this, but alas, Fourie wants to stay in Japan. Jean very fortunate. No, the time has come to say goodbye to a very sad and sorry player for good. Very fortunate to escape castigation as Keo loves his WP brethren and, of course, he is right next to a position that receives the most attention for all the wrong reasons. But enough is enough, goodbye Jean, don't let the door hit you on the way out.  


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RE: Jean v Frans - Perspective
September 14, 2012, 13:30:26

The Cat

I agree with you about De Villiers - problem is that the two Steyns are even worse than him - all three should be given their marching orders pronto.


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RE: Jean v Frans - Perspective
September 14, 2012, 13:41:07

Incorrect, Jean and Pienaar are the problem, that with our entire group of forwards.  


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RE: Jean v Frans - Perspective
September 14, 2012, 14:05:28

Get the forwards right and appoint a class backline coach.  A lot of problems are be heaped on Jean - unfairly in my view.  With Pienaar, Morne, Frans being no threat all they have to do is watch Jean and our wingers.


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RE: Jean v Frans - Perspective
September 14, 2012, 14:43:23

Jean vs Frans perspective.....Jean 133 metres/Frans 88.

 

I agree with Mike......captaincy seems to have affected Jean's form. In any case, the Bok captain should always be a forward. But Frans has had a wonderful opportunity to prove himself and done nada.

 

We are missing Jean's  ability at 12 to step through a tackle and offload ....something he has consistently shown in tests, including the RWC. Fransie just can't penetrate......he hasn't made one genuine centre's break in 5 tests.

 

To be honest I thought Frans would be much more assertive. He has the physical credentials, albeit that he looks 10kgs overweight. Perhaps Nonu will ignite his competitive instincts.


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RE: Jean v Frans - Perspective
September 14, 2012, 15:36:29

Jean has never been "in form". One of the worst aspects of Jean's game is his passing. Offloads? What offloads? Stepping? Where? Jean is a bumbling fool, never gave us any penetration whatsoever. The only reason to justify his selection was leadership, and he cannot even offer that. Jean is a woeful no show, a terrible burden the team can no longer afford. He cannot even defend his channel. Your defence of Jean has let down badly on a number of fronts, one being how much he has emphasised the quality of Jaque Fourie.  


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RE: Jean v Frans - Perspective
September 14, 2012, 15:58:02

Jean has been a very good Bok and has had a distinguished career. Even today he has been one of the better backs. He and Jaque were thought ot be the best in the world in their heyday


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RE: Jean v Frans - Perspective
September 14, 2012, 20:09:45

 Jean has never come close to best in the world. Not under Jake, not under Peter and definitely not under Meyer. No, Jean is a failed wing convert, nothing more, nothing less. 


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RE: Jean v Frans - Perspective
September 14, 2012, 21:29:01

Cat

I don like converted players :-

De Villiers is not performing as a center

Engelbrecht is failing as a center

Hougaard failed as a scrummie

They should stay in the positions they are accustoned to play in.


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RE: Jean v Frans - Perspective
September 15, 2012, 15:47:01

"Jean has never come close to best in the world. Not under Jake, not under Peter and definitely not under Meyer. No, Jean is a failed wing convert, nothing more, nothing less. "

 

Bull, Jean was always a 12, but the kind of that does not suit the bok game.He was eased into the squad on wing, but surely you can't sugest that he's actually a wing. One of the few that was able to break the line against decent opposition in the last couple of years. Frans is not bad, but I can't see any decent centers knocking the door down, so what are we gonna do?

 


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