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Username

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The Challenge Has Been Set...
September 10, 2012, 23:53:42

Yes, Mike, Halavato and Sharkbok. I left the bait for you and it was snatched up thoughtlessly. Now, after all the bleating, I pose some questions for the three of you.

1.In what way did Goosen spark any attacking play while he was on?
2.In what way has Morne been the "problem", and exactly is this "problem". How will Goosen rectify this?

Please take your time, I will be waiting patiently.
 


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RE: The Challenge Has Been Set...
September 11, 2012, 00:19:11

No takers?


Username

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RE: The Challenge Has Been Set...
September 11, 2012, 00:52:08

How sad. This must be the ninth time of asking. It's interesting how quick most posters are to attack a person's argument, but then cowardly avoid having to make one of their own. You can say what you want about me but at the very least I put something forward and I always have something to back what I say. So far the three stooges have offered nothing but instantaneous insults at every turn, and once the screw is turned on them, they play the victim and run for cover.

And as for Mike, well, was proven a fat liar from the word go. I simply loved that garbage about Du Preez being the reason we lost in 2004. Didn't count on me being able to reference the game. Went from from lie to another, then shifted to the 2006 TNs which was exposed again. The argument went back and forth between several Bulls players and each lie torn down. You in particular I wanted to see more from, but you failed dysmally just as before.

Well, here we are, only one person in this debacle that was willing to listen to another persons view. I gave you the chance to put something constructive down many times, many dozens of times in Mike's case, but it's obviously not the reason why you are here. Continue on with your little trio, both here and on SuperSupporter. It makes little difference to me. Beeno, it is as I said before a complete waste of time here. We have this ghastly trio and a couple of potential initiates ruining the whole thing. What a waste.
 


clevermike

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RE: The Challenge Has Been Set...
September 11, 2012, 01:04:52

Sorry - I was watching the game again to see what happened and see what crap you were writing about the way the game went.

Now here is your answer:-

0:43  - After kick in Morne got the ball - ran three steps crabwise and pass to Francois who kicked the ball out.

1:22 - Morne gets clean ball - crablike our seps and givehospital pass to Francois Steyn

1:33 -  Morne tried drop goal in front of posts - missed

8:38 :  Gotball - kicked well gaining 34 meters - Plus to Morne

9:53 - Morne kicked high - really aimnless - since Aussies got ball 

15:43  - Morne missed tackle and Aussies eventually got penalty and convert

17:41 - Morne Kick in too far and Aussies had ample time to kick back to the halfway line

18:25 Morne made two meters over advabtage line.  Maul and ultimately Habana score

22:57 - Morne kicked aimlessly - advantahe to the Aussies

30:39 : Morne cut out and good backline move - Morne followed up - but knocked the ball out of field of play

32:21 - Morne kicked aimlessly - adbatage to the Aussies

32:51 -  Morne crab 3 steps sideways and give hospital pass to Francois Steyn

35:00 : Francois Steyn buggered up badly - kick got charged down and allowede the Wallabies to attack.

37:33 - Morne laubnched aimless kick - Springboks lose out badly

40:25 - Morne kicked and gained 30 meters.

41:45 -  Morne ran sideways and give hospital pass to Francois Steyn

42:09 -  Morne kicked aimlessly and the Springboks lost ground

43:10 - Morne tried drop goal from in front of the posts and missed.

44:38 - Morne missed tackle - during maul penalty conceded - Converted

48:10 - Morne missed penalty badly

50:14 - Morne kicked effective up and under - but Springbok scrum collapsed and a penalty put Aussies on attack. Ebentual result try by Aussies after both Steyn and Kirchner missed attempted tackles

62:40 : Morne kick in too far -easily fielded by the Aussies

65:07 - Morne missed tackle and so did Kirchner - Aussies score dtry

67:00 - Penalty converted by Morne

Now lets get back to your crap.   You accuse Goosen of running sideways before he passed to steyn - he gave exactly on step and passed the ball.   Now for the improived backline aftter Goosen came on - there was more backline play in that ten minutes than in the 70 minutes Steyn was on the field.   In that time Goosen made one break through two tacklers and was eventually fot tackled - made more advance over the advantage line than Steyn did in the whole of 40 minutes.  He was involved in three backline moves during his time on the foield and in two passed the ball quickly to other players - giving them an opportunity to gain metrs over the advantage line.

Based on the outline above - Morne deserves nothing more than 3 out of 10 for a poor dsiplay - missed three kicks at goal - 1 penalty and two drop goal attempts - none of those were particularly difficult - the drop goals virtually in front of the posts. Missed a number of tackles as well.

I want to ask - do you especially write rubbish on this Board - or are you plain stupid???????

Morne - the player with :ball sense" and Kirchner is the player to go the next WC - you must be kidding!!!!!!

Now - the question abou what Goosen will do better than Morne.   Firstly - he has ball sense and will avod aimless kicks - he will pass balls more effectively to other players - he will not stand in the carpark and will gain meters over the advantage line - he will not miss tackles like Morne did repeatedly on Saturday.   Does that answer your question?

 

 


clevermike

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RE: The Challenge Has Been Set...
September 11, 2012, 01:20:21

You call me  a liar - you snibelling idiot - I do not lie.   I answered your drivel in detail.   If there is a waste of time on this Board - it is you with your total false statements and idiotic comments.   You can take different names - like Apollo - and debate things with yourself through trying to show that there are people on this Board that support your idiotic comments - but we know really that you have zero rugby knowledge.

I am a gent;leman and never insult people like you do - but have to react when people call me a liar and worse.  Bugger off back to your hole and stay there.


Username

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RE: The Challenge Has Been Set...
September 11, 2012, 01:22:29

72:17 - Goosen took no less than 7 steps before passing to Frans and he ran towards the touchline. Passing no less than a metre in front of Ashley-Cooper. No momentum generated by his movement.

72:26 - Goosen runs into space, chased down by Sharpe (Ruck). This was Goosen's best moment of the time he was on. He made good ground.

As for their being more attacking play because of Goosen? No, that's not true at all. He came on exactly after Australia had scored the winning try, the Boks were very frantic and Pienaar continued to use the loose forwards as primary targets throughout the last twelve minutes.

Goosen made 4 passes and 3 runs. Only one run was successful, and none of his passes led to anything. So again, no. Goosen changed nothing while he was on.

You argument on Morne is still not answering my question. What exactly is this "problem" and what is Morne's role in it? Morne received very little ball all game. Instead, as pointed out, Our loose forwards were primary carriers who were completely ineffective.
 


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RE: The Challenge Has Been Set...
September 11, 2012, 01:27:47

A gentleman? As soon as I called you out on Du Preez you turned sour with your insults. You stated you were at the England test in 2004 and saw Du Preez DIRECTLY concede try. I corrected this error but you refused to give in. You kept changing your stance until you went onto the 2006 TNs, but I corrected that too. Each and every turn you turned to insults instead of backing up what you said. Slinging mud was your weapon of choice. When pressed further for more detail you turn nasty. Your hatred of te Bulls is very sad, and that is what this all boils down to. You won't accept anything that does not pin Morne as the sole reason for any problem the Boks have. You may not realize but I am in fact a Cheetah supporter. I am very exited about Goosen, but I used this game to illustrate the reasons why changing Morne will not save the Boks. I pointed out that the Boks rely too much on forwards as carriers and every move from Pienaar to a forward ends with a ruck. You however refuse to acknowledge this. You refuse to accept that Goosen changed nothing, because you hate Morne. Very sad indeed.


clevermike

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RE: The Challenge Has Been Set...
September 11, 2012, 01:55:15

Just for your information - I do not hate Morne Steyn - I called  hime a very nice person.  However, I do not like the way he jeopardise the Springbok backline and general display.   I do agree with you about playing back to the forwards - but that is Meyer's way and not really advantageous in the present era.

I was wrong about the year that Fourie buggered up in both the Scottish test and the Twickenham test - but it did happen.   I can remember clearly that I was at a test played in Durban against the Aussies and afterwards phoned my nephew in England and told them I would come over for the tests.    However, the facts are clear about Du Preez and I was not wrong about it at all.  At halftime we barely managed to lead against the Scots - but they benched Foutie and afterwards we won convincingly.   The POM test was level -pegging till that disastrous absence as a result of a missing scrummie - that allowed the POMS to take the lead.

By the way - I lived for 14 years in Petoria and do not hate the Bulls.   I really am not provincial in my outlook and there is nothing to be sad about.   However, I am not blind to poor play by any players - irrespective of where they come from.   Maybe you did not notice - but I criticize more players than just your hero and that they come from different provinces.   After the last test I criticized De Villiers, Alberts, Beast, Morne Steyn and Mvovo - only one of those from the Bulls - so get your facts straight.

I am very worried about Bulls rugby at this stage - when the Bulls are poor - the Springboks are poor.   And in the CC the Bulls are at the bottom of the log.   That is really sad. 


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RE: The Challenge Has Been Set...
September 11, 2012, 02:12:26

The Bulls are in a rebuilding phase and not doing that bad. They more than exceeded expectations. All they need is a loosehead and an outside centre and they will be a much better side, particularly if they can just sort out that defence, but then Sadie was porous all year.

If you say you don't hate Morne, then I am willing to leave it at that. Likewise the other stuff. Something I will not abide by though is being accused of is leaping to insults. I always back up what I say - I never say anything on a whim, but more then that, I always give each person a chance to state their case, always. That offer is rarely ever taken up, and each thread turns into a nightmare disaster of worthless nonsense. If you want to leave the past spats behind and move on, then that is a more than acceptable outcome.
 


clevermike

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RE: The Challenge Has Been Set...
September 11, 2012, 02:41:08

Thanks for a nice response.  I do believe the Bulls are rebuilding - but so are most of the other provinces.   I do not in particular rate Engelbrecht as highly as some oithers do  and also not Sadie.   I think they were bad buys.  

I like some of their youngsters - such as Liebenberg.  He is bound to develop into a really top player.  Also like Serfontein.   I would rather play Serfontein at 12 and Venter at 13 - than continue with Sadie and Engellbrecht.

I do believe that the Bulls were wrong in letting Stander go - I actually rate him higher than the other Bull loosies.

However, the main problem for the Bulls are their props.   I do not think that Kruger measures up to requirements and the Bulls should really consider taking over props from the Lions.


Jalapeno!

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RE: The Challenge Has Been Set...
September 11, 2012, 08:26:50

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Love the first 3 posts on this thred!

 

@ 7 mins to midnite ApolloRetardCat is still pumping away at his keybrd trying to get people to agree with his stupid ideas on Morne Steyn and his Bok rankings. He asks more stupid questions and then says we must take our time answering and hes "waiting patiently". How patiently? Well less than half an hour later (at 00:19 in the morning) ApolloRetard starts whimpering cuz no one else is obsessed enuf to be sitting up after midnite reading his ridiculous rubbish. Still "waiting patiently", billy-no-mates explodes into rage at about 8 mins to 1 in the morning, spews more nonsense & finally goes to bed in tears.

 

LMAO!

 

ApolloRetardCat, even if I was awake then i wldnt have bothered cuz that would give the impresion im taking u seriosly. i prefer to treat u like the clown u r! Hope mummys no cross cuz u coulnt get up this morning! Bwahahahaha!


Beeno1

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RE: The Challenge Has Been Set...
September 11, 2012, 08:38:32

Well done Card and Mike for working through your differences. You are both great posters and great guys and the board is enriched by your contributions.

As for ou jalapo he just keeps stirring but does it in such an amateurish way. As an expert I should know - hahahahahha. Believe me jala on the evidence thus far nobody was holding their breath with regards to your response. Bwahahahahahaha talk about clowns!


Jalapeno!

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RE: The Challenge Has Been Set...
September 11, 2012, 08:58:47

Wow u are dumb, Bean Brain!

 

read ApolloRetardCats 1st post, note who he was addressing it to (he calls me Halavato in case your tiny brain hasnt worked that out yet) and then see how anxius he was to see responses (even though he said we must take our time and he was patient).

 

talk about missing the point!!!! The only thing ur an expert at is making a fool of yrself!


Beeno1

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RE: The Challenge Has Been Set...
September 11, 2012, 09:17:55

Believe me jaloppy your response was not being anticipated as a red card event. Hahhahahahaha

I am still waiting for you to make your first decent post. Getting the picture now jaloppy? Hahahahahaha you are a very funny oak.

Now stop being so upset at Requiescat and Mike sorting matters out and think of something intelligent to say. Take your time of course. Bwahahahahahaha this jaloppy is needing a few new spare parts for his lonely braincell.


Jalapeno!

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RE: The Challenge Has Been Set...
September 11, 2012, 09:41:34

At least Ive only gone 50 posts without a decent 1, u hav posted over 3000 times & ive yet to see anything from u that wasnt very stupid.


Beeno1

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RE: The Challenge Has Been Set...
September 11, 2012, 09:53:16

well it would be a huge surprise to me if you have read all my posts seeing you were not here now were you jallopy so any comment from  abou my close to 3000 maste pieces is silly.

But hey I am glad you are here and posting as nothing is worse than silence.  You are  good addition to the board and I do hope you will enjoy it. My comments on your posts was banter jallopy so dont take It too seriously. You see see I banter away with our kiwi friends as well but in truth am very fond of them.

Where is ou sitting bull come to think of it. Those many wives of his are leading him into a life of slothfullness and disapation. Daffi is another nutter we have not seen for  while!

 

 


Jalapeno!

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RE: The Challenge Has Been Set...
September 11, 2012, 10:26:37

Bean brain, I dont know y ur telling me who all yr buddies r and who u r "fond" of.  I couldnt care and I allso dont know who all these names are that u keep talking about like sitting bull, gosip girl and daffy.

 

U can describe all yr rubbish as "banter" if it makes u feel better i still think its boring crap.


Apollo

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RE: The Challenge Has Been Set...
September 11, 2012, 10:41:28

I can use these forst to comments to show just what an idiot this specific poster is...

 

"0:43  - After kick in Morne got the ball - ran three steps crabwise and pass to Francois who kicked the ball out.

1:22 - Morne gets clean ball - crablike our seps and givehospital pass to Francois Steyn"

 

To give the correct description... "Morne runs a "two line" in order to accelerate the movement of the ball wide. A "two line" is when you adjust your running line BEFORE receiving the ball, in order to prevent a slow down of the outward movement of the ball.  If a flyhalf does not do this, it means the ball must stop in it's movement before the pass moves to the outside... The two line adds the pace of the ball to the slight drift of the player, which means there is less slowing down... Now go and time the amount of time the ball was in his hands and you will see that it is a quick movement...

 

So if you say that a two line run, plus an immediate pass leads to a "hospital pass" then you are not only stupid, but FUCKING stupid to blame the ten for that... Except if he was aligned TOO FLAT.... Yes, too flat... Not too deep... Which means that if you also say that he is aligned too deep, the chances of the problem being with the flyhalf is even less...

 

In conclusion, calling the posters idiots are in fact insulting to all the idiots "out there"... And I uncondictionally apologise to all the true idiots, that I associated them with some of the posters on here!!! Idiots of the world unite!!!!!


Ek

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RE: The Challenge Has Been Set...
September 11, 2012, 14:11:01

Is there a point to this, apart from agravating people?


Beeno1

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RE: The Challenge Has Been Set...
September 11, 2012, 14:18:14

Ek there is no placating these beasts! Hahahahahahaha

As for ou jallopy he loves to be bored as he hangs on my every word!!!  Reminds me of a certain high pitched bedpan!

Apollo is just here to have  a rant - cheaper than paying for a session with his shrink  - the shrinks bills are crippling him as are the costs of the medication!! Bwahahahahahahaha


Ek

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RE: The Challenge Has Been Set...
September 11, 2012, 14:27:36

Actually from my deductions here Jalopy seems to be okay, You are the one baiting him :). He can take a Jibe but i get the feeling that one day you are going to open an umbrella in his anal Cavity.

jalopy that does not mean i don't like you, you seem to be an okay chap. But with Mr Beeno here you need to have a bit of granite to your skin and take most of what he says with a pinch.

 


Jalapeno!

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RE: The Challenge Has Been Set...
September 11, 2012, 15:43:55

Dont worry Ek, it rly doesnt matter 2 me if u like me or not. As 4 yr advice, tx but I know Bean Brains type v well. He spouts a load of crap & then when his stupidity is exposed then suddenly hes only winding ppl up, "baiting" them or cracking a joke. A v weak loser with no real convictions & no rugby knowlege either but who mistaknly thinks hes vaguely intrstng cuz he knows how  2 copy and paste.


Ek

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RE: The Challenge Has Been Set...
September 11, 2012, 15:52:58

 Really Jealapeno, like has nothing to do with it. And yes, Beeno does wind everyone up, He has clearly wound you up :)


Jalapeno!

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RE: The Challenge Has Been Set...
September 11, 2012, 15:58:26

oh. Not sure y u mentioned liking me or not liking me in yr post if that is the case but no worries.

 

Bean Brain cudnt wind up a fisher price toy.

 

 


sasuke uchiha

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RE: The Challenge Has Been Set...
September 11, 2012, 16:09:38

i reckon beenos awesome, his blogs on how the stormers really won the 2012 spXV has got to be some of the most fascinating posts i have ever read and then he complained cos i was typing too many hahahas in my posts, LMAO, :D OMG, that was outstanding in the field of excellence.

 

@ek,
how would one retrieve an old article??? i think i need to bookmark beenos awesome blogs, cos they never cease to put a smile on my face, :o)


carpetmuncher

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RE: The Challenge Has Been Set...
September 11, 2012, 16:17:54

yeah sasuke he takes one eyed fanboyism to a new level......i must give him some credit for his loyality though. everyone and everything is wrong except the "mighty stormers" hahahaha

 

 

 

 


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