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bluebok

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Springboks useless at breakdown
September 10, 2012, 12:12:06

A lot of people are saying this and that about Morne and weaknesses in our backline...although, that kick-off that Mvovo butchered was just a joke, but the problems all lie with the forwards in my opinion. At the breakdown we are not even in the same class. That is where Argentina and the Auzzies totally outplayed us. We can't protect our own ball at the breakdown, and even when we are able to re-gather our ball, we seem to be under so much pressure that we can do nothing with it. As for their ball, we just have to rely on mistakes by them, like all those aimless kicks by the Auzzies in the first half, to get hold of the ball. I don't know where this idea comes from that we have a good scrum, because I can't remember the last time we really dominated either the "perpetually weak" Auzzies or the AB's. But getting back to my original point, our backs are getting crap ball because our forwards just are'nt able to take control at breakdown time.

 

I understand why our backs keep on kicking the ball, because when they try to run it, they have to rely on our forwards to protect the ball, and our forwards can't do that. The only part of the Bok game that seemed to be working on Saturday, was the kicking, even the Aus commentators said so. No we need to get our forwards playing properly, and then we may start playing decent rugby.


Ek

Status: Bok regular
Posts: 1464
RE: Springboks useless at breakdown
September 10, 2012, 12:30:50

 True to an extend Blue, although our backline is really bad as well. the intent is there but the execution is wrong. when the backline does get ball they just run it up in an attempt to cross the advantage line. That is supposed to be the loosies job not the backs. Backs need to start running into space if they are going to get success. It seems that we are overly relaint on set play rather than playing the situation as it demands, or making the decision on the field. the guys get picked they should be given the sapce to live it out. not a fan of this all smash em up game. It dumb cause you run yourself into trouble the moment the oppositions defensive structure is set up. Run into space and offload into space. only thing that willhelp the backline. 

I am not blaming the players here as it seems they are playing towards a structured approach. They just need to be given some freedom outside the system. The same problem that the Stormers have had so far this year. It seems Allister has fixed it with WP now. We have the players in the bok mix to do it they just need to be given the freedom to do it.


Apollo

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RE: Springboks useless at breakdown
September 10, 2012, 12:36:12

"when the backline does get ball they just run it up in an attempt to cross the advantage line. That is supposed to be the loosies job not the backs."

 

So you are saying they should pass the ball to the forwards even more???? Idiot!


Ek

Status: Bok regular
Posts: 1464
RE: Springboks useless at breakdown
September 10, 2012, 12:41:51

 No Apollo if you read what i said you would notice that i said that this is the Job of the forwards not the backs. nowhere did I mention that it should happen more. Read before slamming people as an idiot.

Nice of you calling people Idiots and Dom. Dammit, that all you can do?

Backline players are supposed to run into space, this notion of using backline players for the crash ball is not the game i like as you aren't using them to run off each other and into space. That is what you use the loosies for. Nice namecalling though, you should really attept to make a living from it. You have a talent.


bluebok

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Posts: 1149
RE: Springboks useless at breakdown
September 10, 2012, 12:51:38

Ek, I agree with you regarding the backs, well sort of. Hougard and Habana both had a couple of decent runs, and on the whole, our backs didn't actually play badly...even Kirchner had a good game. But I think you have a point, we need to run into space and/or offload properly to keep forward momentum. Although, F Steyn doesn't have a good side step, so there is really only one way he is going, straight, wich he did quite effectively on sat.


Ek

Status: Bok regular
Posts: 1464
RE: Springboks useless at breakdown
September 10, 2012, 12:58:27

 Blue i don't have a problem with Frans running straight per say, in essence that is neccesery to keep the line straight and to create space on the outside. Problem is not the running straing it is the what am I running at and where to I lose the ball to link up to the outside instead of attempting to run through the defense. 

Frans can do this we have seen him do it in the past, Morne as well and Jean as well. I just think they should be given the go ahead to do it. As i believe they are playing under orders. This stifles creativity and by creativity i don't say attempt to run around everyone, I mean use the guys and the space around you instead of just running it.

I also don't think we should just do it as that would be predictable as well. I want to see variability and change of tactics. I want to see these guys use a bit of their own grey matter and not just do what they told.


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