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kingcorn

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The t'Watsons Strike, Lions are no more
August 16, 2012, 14:13:55

 So you all must have picked up the thread that the Lions will be relegated this year to be replaced by the Kings. Not sure what to make of it all but to be honest, it is the worst decision that SA Rugby has made to date. 


garethedwards

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RE: The t'Watsons Strike, Lions are no more
August 16, 2012, 14:23:53

Pathetic SARU

 

By that same ruling the Lions should not be playing in top 6 Currie Cup then... a paradoxical error if I have ever seen one.

 

So if the Lions are relegated and the Kings don't play in top 6 Currie Cup, when exactly will they play eachother? And how exactly will you have a playoff to get into the S15???


garethedwards

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RE: The t'Watsons Strike, Lions are no more
August 16, 2012, 14:37:25

Just read the Keo article...

"The franchise represents more clubs than any other region – apart from the Stormers – and contains numerous leading rugby schools."

 

So it doesn't represent the the most clubs???

And which schools exactly are you talking about???

 

This is the vague type of political BS that belongs in the USA...


Sharkbok

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RE: The t'Watsons Strike, Lions are no more
August 16, 2012, 14:39:50

 Currie Cup best tries mix - Rounds 12, 13 & 14

So Puke has handed off the Lions, and now has his very own Super15 rugby team. Daddy, Daddy I want my own Super15 rugby team


carpetmuncher

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RE: The t'Watsons Strike, Lions are no more
August 16, 2012, 14:50:45

its sad to see a union with great history being degraded like this. the lions were on the backslide for years now. the last 10 years and so they have been slowly regressing to not even being in the super rugby anymore.

 

sad day. i just hope for our super rugby prospects that they manage to buy a super team. we wil have to wait and see how things pan out. i do think its just for a few years. the comp will expand in 205 i think so its just a temporary arrangement


garethedwards

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RE: The t'Watsons Strike, Lions are no more
August 16, 2012, 15:04:48

I'll take S12 rather please


kingcorn

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RE: The t'Watsons Strike, Lions are no more
August 16, 2012, 16:32:36

 Agree, I would have a super 12 over any other format any day.

SARU just made big balls up and have single handily destroyed a union to have it replaced with an inferior union. Yes the kings does deserve the opportunity. Opportunity not right, they haven’t showed anything that they have earned this opportunity. All it has done is to weaken SA rugby. Yes, the lions haven’t been the best team but run quite a few big teams dam close.

SARU could have handled it better; the Australians asked if some dates could be moved around to accommodate the Lions tour. Saru should have used this opportunity to at least change the format with in the context of the competition.

They could have given the kings an opportunity to compete in the Super 15 this year if Aus and NZ agrees to play all of the conference games at the beginning of the comp. Home and away. As SA has the extra team it would have afforded them the time to expand the time off. The kings could take part in the SA conference and the lowest rank team in the SA conference would drop out. That would have given the Kings and Lions 10 games each to prove that they deserve to remain in the competition and they would have 5 games at home playing against the best SA teams. The other teams that qualify will lose the points that they made against the team that dropped out. But that would mean that they would only miss out on 8 games and 4 home games. Giving the unions at least a fighting chance of survival for the next three years until a new format can be decided.

Even if the Lions or Kings dropped out at least they had a fair chance of competing with out receiving damage by losing players or losing finances. The kings would win as it would give them a taste of super rugby and much needed money. It would also give them time to build a team in a Super rugby environment. 


Beeno1

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RE: The t'Watsons Strike, Lions are no more
August 16, 2012, 16:39:20

As much as I do not like the manner in which the queens used political connections to get in rather than earing the right one has to say the Lions did themselves no favours.

It has been all down hill for the lions since Louis Luyt departed. This self made multi millionaire from a poorback ground built the Lions up into the wealthiest union in the world and they were Super 10 champs etc.

Now look what bad managment has done to them - and I am no ttalking about the current crop of De Klerk etc. He inherited a mess.


Beeno1

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RE: The t'Watsons Strike, Lions are no more
August 16, 2012, 16:52:29

Joke posted on Keo

In J/burg a venerable old Keo Poster and Lions Fan lay dying in hospital. He was 93, and for years he had faithfully supported the Team he loved.

He knew his end was near, and he motioned for his nurse to come closer.

“Yes, RL?” said the nurse.

“I would really like to see Regan Hoskins and Cheeky Watson before I die,” whispered old RL (a.k.a. as Red Lion).

The hospital authorities sent the request to Cheech and Chong and waited for a response.

Soon word arrived: Hoskins and Cheech would be delighted to visit the aged Lion Man.

As they entered the hospital, followed by a media throng and cameras from all the TV networks, Hoskins commented to Watson, “I don’t know why this old prick wants to see us, but going to see him for a few minutes won’t hurt our image, It might even get me re-elected Chairman of the SARU. After all, I’m IN IT TO WIN IT”.

Cheeky agreed that it was a good thing, as he wanted to remain as Treasurer of the Kings, and play with our money like it was Monopoly or growing on a tree.

When they arrived at his room, the Old RL (god bless him) beamed and clasped Regan’s hand in his right hand and Cheech’s hand in his left.

There was silence and a look of serenity spread over the old RL’s wizened visage.

Finally Watson broke the silence.

“Red, of all the people you could have chosen, why did you want us to be with you as you near the end?”

Old RL slowly replied, “I have always tried to pattern my life after our Lord and Saviour ***** ******.”

“Of course”, said Regan.
“Amen,” said Cheech.

***** died between two lying thieves; I would like to do the same.” said the RL

 


garethedwards

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RE: The t'Watsons Strike, Lions are no more
August 16, 2012, 17:03:47

They should have earned it like everyone else.


mozart

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RE: The t'Watsons Strike, Lions are no more
August 16, 2012, 18:15:36

Forget any future Coke sponsorships.


sasuke uchiha

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RE: The t'Watsons Strike, Lions are no more
August 16, 2012, 20:22:18

lions last 10 years of super rugby,,,

2012 15th woodenspoon
2011 14th
2010 14th woodenspoon
2009 12th
2008 14th woodenspoon
2007 12th
2006 13th
2005 11th
2004 12th woodenspoon
2003 12th woodenspoon

no sponsor, no coach, no captain, no surprises.
calls saying that its SARUs worst move when u look at the cold hard facts is a bit rich, but each to their own. im sure the sharks who played the travelling nomad game in the finals wouldnt agree with thats, especially as SARU are directly responsible for their 2012 spXV finals travelling woes.

IMHO, if the watsons had nothing to do with the kings, there would have been more supporters of this move.
my understanding is that the southern kings has the ability to tap into the heart of the native africans demograph more then any current club can, and will help loosen the strangle hold soccer which still regins as king???

biggest losers here are the lions fans, how u continue to support a club whose idea of repaying the loyalty is not being the woodenspooners is beyond me, but my condolences to possibly the most lyal fans in super rugby.
but welcome kings, hope u take this opportunity with much gusto and vigour, cos it seems u dont have the support of half ur countrymen, while the NZ and OZ clubs will not be too phased and will be trying to avoid being the first club to lose to u.
 


clevermike

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RE: The t'Watsons Strike, Lions are no more
August 16, 2012, 20:59:03

Sasu

Take a bet on thois one.   The Lions were wooden spoonists 5 times in the past decade - the Queens wil make it 10 out of 10 - they are going to be beaten by every other side in the compeition by at least 20 points per game.   Ypu can never play a profesional game based on politics and this is what is happening here.


Sharkbok

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RE: The t'Watsons Strike, Lions are no more
August 16, 2012, 22:20:14

 It will be interesting to see who the Queens sign. I think the goverment is or had allready pumped lots of money into them. Money talks- and players who can get a chance to play in South Africa and earn more than the other regions may make the trek down to Port Elizabeth. It is a nice city, right on the beach so nice to place t to live and play rugby. Games in PE have allways had excellant support.. A good coach with some good bought players- we may be surprised. 

I wonder what happens to the Lions players who are in contracts for next year Super15? Do they get paid- their is probably a clause in the contract to protect the Lions who are bad debtors anyone and allready owe everyone money as it is. 

Maybe the Lions can sell their super15 players to the Queens to pay off their debts.

Apart from Cheeky and Puke they may be entertaining.


canrugby

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RE: The t'Watsons Strike, Lions are no more
August 16, 2012, 23:46:53

This means the Stormers might get a 4 try bonus point? Sweeeeeet!!

 

Seriously though, I don't mind the promoting and relegating of teams, as long as it's fair, and not done with backroom deals, and secret handshakes off the field of play.

 

“Its been a long dogfight for the Kings, we’d like to thank the people of the Eastern Cape, the metro and the regional government for their support." - Cheeky Watson

I don't know Cheeky Watson like some of you do, but From what I gather, he sounds like a sleeze ball. "A long dog fight" where??? Obviously not on the field. At least make the team good enough to compete for the Currie cup. Don't just get in on the merit of political deals and handshakes. Weak sauce.


hakwa

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RE: The t'Watsons Strike, Lions are no more
August 17, 2012, 03:43:22

wow, what a 180 degree turn! First the Kings are being bought off, nec minit, the Lions are no more! Nec minit, someone will be telling me Deans is about to do a Matt Giteau on Quade Cooper!


carpetmuncher

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RE: The t'Watsons Strike, Lions are no more
August 17, 2012, 08:59:25

yeah expect a lot of wp young talent flocking to the kings for the chance to play super rugby.

 

if the kings can buy 22 odd great players then they might have a chance. i know that the coach sexton is a great coach so at least on that front they will be covered.

 

i really do feel for the lions but lets be honest with the performances the last couple of years they have only themselves to blame. poor management and lack of player depth and money biggest problems. i see much of lions initial problems starting to peek its ugly head at the Wp as well.

 

on the flip side of the coin i am happy for that region getting some super rugby, the people in PE have been looking for super rugby for years now. a lot of talent has come from that neck of the woods. i just wished it was done a lot better. hopefully when the comp gets expanded the confrence system get booted and the noddy cup/beeno cup get booted a long with it.


kingcorn

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RE: The t'Watsons Strike, Lions are no more
August 17, 2012, 10:55:20

 Well Saru admitted that they had Broadcast revenue for 6 teams so they have some spare cash lying about apparently. It might not be all bad for the Lions, they may get a chance to compete in the European cup, but why did they not try to broker a similar deal for the queens 3 years ago to expose them to a higher level of rugby. 

I think for SA it would be great if one of our teams compete in the European cup, easier traveling and practically the same time zone. Plus the union may be albe to earn more money. 

It will also put Auz and NZ in their place and make them realise that SA does have a card up their sleave that would enable them to play in Europe rather than having to be ganged up against every time a new broadcast deal comes along. 


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