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kingcorn

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Can the Stormers chase a game?
July 10, 2012, 10:23:11

So the Stormers have qualified for the play-offs and if they can overcome the Rebels they have a guaranteed home semi. My question is, over the last couple of the seasons the stormers have come bitterly close but never managed to quite get there. In my personal opinion is that I believe if the Stormers can’t produce some attacking rugby they may be looking at another semi-final exit. I believe that they have sacrificed there fantastic attacking game on all out defence. We have seen how the top teams have shut them out in the past. Reds, Crusaders and the Stormers are yet to face the Chiefs.

 


Beeno1

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RE: Can the Stormers chase a game?
July 10, 2012, 10:45:46

Kingcorn I am afraid without guys like Schalk, Vermulen and maybe even Koster our chances are slim indeed. If they had been playing I am confident we would have had a dominant pack, a very good defence and a excellent goal kicker. Enoughto give us a fighting chance  to win the comp.

Schalk and Vermuelen are both world class players and their absence takes a lot out of the pack. Koster is also a very good impact player.

I like the idea of Deon Fourie at 6, With Kolisi at 8 and Elstadt at 7. Its about the best we can do. Liebeberg has to start at hooker.


carpetmuncher

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RE: Can the Stormers chase a game?
July 10, 2012, 11:27:20

to answer your question kingcorn.....no

history has shown the stormers dont like to chase the game because that generally means they have to run with the ball and that is a major major weakness in the stormers side. the generally lead well but dont chase very well. match that fact and the choker tag that they have (a couple of semis and one final and no cups) it seems the business end of the comp is there biggest obstacle to face. they also tended to lose the really crunch games last year as well so there real test will be from now on in.

@beeno you talk about the pack a lot but what of your teams backline ????...can they perform for the first time the season or in the crucial matches


Ek

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RE: Can the Stormers chase a game?
July 10, 2012, 12:33:30

Someone posted this on RuggaWorld, It got me thinking this must either be Beeno's Twin or Beeno himself :)

The game of rugby – by a forward July 8, 2012

Posted by Boertjie

“The centres were opportunists who had no expertise but wanted to share in the glamour associated with forward packs.” It is largely unknown to players and followers of the modern game that rugby started off purely as a contest for forwards in opposition in line-outs, scrums, rucks and mauls. This pitted eight men of statuesque physique, supreme fitness and superior intelligence in packs against one another. In those days, the winner was the pack that won the most set pieces. The debasement of the game began when backs were introduced. This occurred because a major problem was where to locate the next scrum or line-out. Selecting positions on the ground for these had become a constant source of friction and even violence. The problem was resolved by employing forward rejects, men of small stature and limited intelligence, to run aimlessly around within the field of play. Following a set piece, the ball would be thrown to one of them, who would establish the next location either by dropping it or by throwing it to another reject for dropping. Very occasionally, a third reject would receive the ball before it would be dropped, and crowds would wildly cheer on these rare occasions. Initially these additional players were entirely disorganized but with the passing of time they adopted set positions. For instance, take the half-back. He was usually one of the smallest and least intelligent of the backs whose role was simply to accept the ball from a forward and to pass it on to one of the other rejects who would drop it, providing the new location for the forwards to compete. He could easily (given his general size) have been called a quarter forward or a ball monkey but then tolerance and compassion are the keys to forward play and the present euphemism was decided on. The five-eighth plays next to the half-back and his role is essentially the same except that when pressured, he usually panics and kicks the ball. Normally, he is somewhat taller and slightly better built than the half-back and hence his name. One-eighth less and he would have been a half-back, three-eighths more and he might well have qualified to become a forward. The centres were opportunists who had no expertise but wanted to share in the glamour associated with forward packs. After repeated supplication to the forwards for a role in the game they would be told to get out in the middle of the field and wait for instructions. Thus, when asked where they played, they would reply “in the centre”. And they remain to this day, parasites and scroungers who mostly work as lawyers or used car dealers. You may ask, why wingers? The answer is simple. Because these were players who had very little ability and were the lowest in the backline pecking order, they were placed as far away from the ball as possible. Consequently, and because the inside backs were so diligent in their assigned role of dropping the ball whenever they received it, the main contribution to the game made by the winger was not to get involved. Their instructions were to run away as quickly as possible whenever trouble appeared, and to avoid tackles at all costs. The fact that the game was organised so that the wingers didn’t get to touch the ball led to an incessant flow of complaints from them and eventually the apt description “whingers” was applied. Even though the “h” dropped off over the years, the whingeing itself unfortunately has not. Lastly, the full-back. This was the position given to the worst handler, the person least able to accept or pass the ball, someone who was always in the way. The name arose because the forwards would understandably become infuriated by the poor play invariably demonstrated by that person, and call out “send that fool back”. He would then be relegated well out of everyone’s way to the rear of the field. So there you have it. Let’s return to the glory days of a contest between two packs of eight men of statuesque physique, supreme fitness and superior intelligence. The rest can go off to where they will be happier, playing soccer.


carpetmuncher

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RE: Can the Stormers chase a game?
July 10, 2012, 12:41:41

hahahahaha classic one EK :)

must be straight from allister coetzee's coaching manual.


lunatic

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RE: Can the Stormers chase a game?
July 10, 2012, 13:06:06

 Can the Stormers chase a game?  - NO

 

They are short of a comparable loose trio.  Schalk would have made a massive difference, as would Koster (speed and running lines) and maybe some bulk with Vermeulen.  Kolisie is adequate but needs time to mature.  There are times when Kolisie also runs around like a headless chicken - like the Potgieters and Daniel - and then there is the front-row.  There is no real depth in the front except at hooker.  For the rest from 9 to 15 there is sufficient ammo to fight.


kingcorn

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RE: Can the Stormers chase a game?
July 10, 2012, 14:16:40

 You would think with their backline that they would feel far more comfortable at throwing it around a bit and open the game up a bit. The pack is extremely young and mobile, so if you can't win the collisions then it would probably be better to tire the oposistion out rather than just kicking the ball away the whole time as they did for so many matches now.

Grant is a Flyhalf that plays really flat and can get the backline moving but int he last couple of games he has only been standing still and not running onto the ball. De Villiers has the size to get over the gain line and has the creativity to create space arround him. De Jongh has a fantastic step on him with some great accelleration. Out wide we have Habana who has showed how well he can do with a bit of space. Aplon is great running of big backs and can carve through tight defences. Pietersen has a great eye for when to join the back line. 

I would even go as far as to shifting Jean to the wing now and then to get aplon to run of his carries or get Aplon to cut through the midfield after a couple of phases. 

With Burger and Vermeulen gone you need to play to your teams strength which is in this case the backline. 

 


mozart

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RE: Can the Stormers chase a game?
July 10, 2012, 17:04:00

This is a very interesting question.....put another way do the Stormers have a Plan B......and perhaps more enigmaticaly, what is their Plan A?

 

If I  put these questions to Sapp and he'd say they have eschewed the use of young talent so they can't score tries. And any try scored by a small, oldster (sies nou gril ek so) .....like Aplon....should only get 3 points.

 

But for myself I think the Stormers are playing a very conservative game. This is Jake rugby.....find a way to win....don't take any chances. Last week against the Cheetahs while Bobby and the other mope were calling for 4 tries and a bonus point, it was perfectly obvious the Stormers were playing for a win.

 

No doubt they had assessed the chances of 4 tries in those awful conditions and decided a full house against the truculent Rebs was more likely.....and that the Canes may just blow on the Chiefs parade this week. It's by no means a sure thing.....but it is the highest probability bet.

 

And that's what distinguishes Stormer rugby....very smart, conservative play. On that basis I'm guessing there is a plan B if they fall more than a converted try behind. But so far they have never been more than a converted try behind.....so we haven't seen the response.

 

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

 


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